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So I'm sick and tired of all you 3.5L guys playing it safe and not modding your engines so I went out and bought my own!:whistling:

Okay, not so much. I've been wanting to get a second car to drive in the winter and an LH is logical since I can repair them in my sleep. This one showed up for $1000 but that was more than I wanted to pay for a 94 so I kept looking. About a week later the guy relisted for much less and I decided it was worth a look. The only thing listed wrong was inoperable A/C.

After a close look I spotted the broken drivers seat, some rust, bad inner tie rods and...








While checking for rust I spotted the ever elusive Performance handling package!


Unfortunately there is some body damage but overall the body is in better shape than mine.




After some thinking and even a ever enjoyable test drive, it followed me home. I am now the proud new owner of a 1994 Dodge Intrepid ES 3.5L with PHP suspension.




In the daylight its a bit easier to see the flaws, luckily I didnt find any new surprises ...yet. A good wash helped, but there are still leaves and dirt crammed in all the nooks and crannies that I'll have to clean.








The manuals are still there, a little abused but probably never used.






 

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Woke up good and early to continue with the cleaning and to start on the inspection....

First discovery, mice have been here.. I guess they didnt like the filter much. but I'm okay with that:tt2:


Passenger front suspension is fairly clean but almost all of the wear parts need replacing.


Driver front suspension is about the same but the outer half shaft boot is leaking all over the place. I'm not sure if I'll be able to replace the boot or if the whole shaft needs to go..


While I was working on the airbox and accordian tube I spotted this one little ign wire out of place. It was firing before so I must have bumped it out of place. But notice the entire connector inside the boot is missing! Its totally corroded away. It also looks like the plug has not been firing properly. I had a spare coil kicking around but I picked up a new(ish) wire at the yard. I'm still using the old plug till I get around to replacing the set.




Moving on... all the belts, other than the a/c, they all look new. The timing belt looks like it was done yesterday its so nice. Its a Mopar gates belt, the water pump is also mopar with an '01 date code. (are 2gen water pumps interchangable?) The tensioner looks new and even the timing is dead on. Previous owner must have had some friends at the local dealership.





After those adventures one of my buddies made an appearance so we headed for the junkyard. I picked up a large pile of parts for the car ...including at least one future mod. I replaced the cup holder with a grey one, and the center console rear vent with one that wasnt smashed (yes, I actually found one in tan in mint condition). Also grabbed a bunch of hardware that was missing, new door seal, and I actually scoured two yards looking for a good seat which I never found. I did find a good passenger seat that I brought home thinking I could combine it with mine and make one good seat ...unfortuantely that didnt work so I Still dont have a good drivers seat. At this point I'm just going to grab a cloth non-power seat and rock that till something better shows up at the yard.





Here is a quick tip for you 1gen 3.5L guys. I've always been very annoyed with the stupid plastic clamps on the factory accordian tube. While you are at the yard grab a pair of clamps from a 2gen 3.2/3.5 accordian. They fit the 1gen tube perfectly and they clamp down hard every time and will not allow it to pop off ever again.
 

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Even though I have the day off I am unable to do much of anything for reasons beyond my control. I did manage to get to the junkyard and trade in the useless seat for one that is far more usable. It doesnt match and its not the prettiest but it works and its hella comfortable so I'm relatively happy.

notice that this picture shows a slight hint to my annoying compulsiveness. Not only did I replace the cup holder with a fully functional one, I scoured the yard looking for one in the correct grey color to match the shift bezel instead of the OE tan ...I need help
 

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A few quick shots I took today.. The only new news of the day is that the lower mounting boss for the driver front caliper is partially stripped out. Someone in the past put in a longer bolt. As far as I can tell the caliper is secure for the moment but I'm already planning to replace the spindle. Perhaps a 2gen brake upgrade is in order??

Proof of the Reman transmission


OEM Tokico PHP struts


Beauty shots of my cars...





The trio of Treps in my family, my 94 and 96 and my Dad's 96 in the garage.
 

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Playing it safe! When I have the money I dont have the time, vise-versa! Ive been thinking about pulling the engine out a rebuilding a good performance engine...we'll see. But congrats on your purchase chew im sure you'll do some cool things to it.
 

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Nice!! You don't many char-gold treps anymore!

I definately noticed those swaybar links, looks much beefier, than my touring suspension(although my 01 uses the beefier links)

I have also been pondering the 2nd gen brake upgade on the front. The ES and R/t use larger rotors than our 1st gen....feels way better too. Looks like it would be just a steering knuckle/rotor swap.

Anyway congrats on the new trep...and I do like the trio you guys have there.:biggrin:

Can't wait to see what you do to 3.5L
 

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This engine and trans are basically as good as one could ever hope for. The mopar reman trans has approximately 30K so it should be good for a Looooooooong while. The belts have similar miles and from what I have seen the engine has been very well taken care of. Just needs an oil pan gasket and oil change. There are no extensive modifications planned but there is a short list of mods that I've been wondering about for a Very long time and I FINALLY get to see if they work! I'm actually kinda excited about that..:biggrin:

The downfall of the car is the suspension, while it is PHP ...frankly, its like driving around in a bag of hammers. I've been driving this car regularly for about a week now and I am seriously struggling to isolate and identify the various noises that it makes. Basically I need to replace every single wear component in the suspension. That alone makes this car a "money pit" but I mean come on... how many 1994 PHP cars are around anymore? That almost makes me want to do a factory restoration

...Almost.

The second gen brake upgrade is just the knuckles and rotors. Everything else is the same. The only real issue with doing it on this car are the ABS sensors. The 2gen is ever so slightly different and I honestly dont think its worth the hassle. The brakes on this car are Very good so I'm going to mess with them as little as possible.

btw, wouldnt you know it.. as soon as I buy a gold intrepid the two that were in the yard last time are now gone. and I need a door handle!
 

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How are the sensors different? I looked at the ones off my SE and my 1G and they are in the same place, or are they just different enough that you can only tell if you look at them side by side?

As i said on the other site, the only difference I felt by doing it could have been going from totally shot brakes to fairly new brakes.
 

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So I'm sick and tired of all you 3.5L guys playing it safe and not modding your engines so I went out and bought my own!:whistling:
I'm playing it safe I'll give you that for now. Its mostly the funds right now. I can do other mods that I know I can pull off myself and that can fit with my theme at this time. Other mods/engine changes will prob. come in do time just not right now.
 

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How are the sensors different? I looked at the ones off my SE and my 1G and they are in the same place, or are they just different enough that you can only tell if you look at them side by side?
The physical location of the sensor changed. IIRC the sensor is closer to the hub flange on the 1gen so the trigger wheel on the axle would no longer be under the sensor. Check ACR's how-to ...the pics were still working last time I checked. Apparently if you simply buy the 2gen axles to match it will work.

I was totally kidding about you guys playng it safe btw. I completely understand your reasons and I too have kept even my 3.3L stuff mild for those very reasons. I usually only change drastically when the opprotunity presents itself. Mods on this car will be very mild for a while, at least until spring arrives and I have the option of which car to drive again. More on that soon...
 

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I'm not safe at all, I think im the only one running bigger cams. A few members have those LX cams but haven't heard anyone installing them yet.

Good choice on sticking with a cloth seat on the driver side instead of rolling with a torn up leather seat. Must come in handy for the cold weather, I know i'll be hurting in the summer since I have no A/C and have leather. I might toss in the cloth for the summer and use the leather for the winter lol.
 

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so, since we are kinda on the topic ...are any of the 3.2/3.5 heads better than the others? I've heard HO are better but I've never bothered to confirm. Anyone get a look at the 4.0L heads yet?
 

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so, since we are kinda on the topic ...are any of the 3.2/3.5 heads better than the others? I've heard HO are better but I've never bothered to confirm. Anyone get a look at the 4.0L heads yet?
Heads are the exact same between all the 3.x engines. The HO's having better heads probably came from the same rumor mill that started the 2.7 being a Mitsubishi engine and having a higher stall torque converter myth.

EDIT: just remembered, thats been done before with the heads. I can think of 2 people, I think Gr8Crsh, and Hybridman (him being a total douche, and getting really pissy with people trying to help. IIRC he blew up the engine twice). Gr8crsh didnt post much pics IIRC. I think the only difference is the water jackets or something like that, otherwise, they bolt on. You might also have to use 2G injectors, which means 2G fuel rail, which means adjustable fuel regulator IIRC. Dont quote me on that previous sentence though, I might be thinking of something else.
 

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Problem with the 2gen rail that it is returnless where the 1gen has a return. Its not a huge problem after having looked at it, just more custom parts. I like normal injectors better anyways...

I did a headgasket on one of these cars a couple years ago (basically the same job as a head swap) and it was a gigantic pita. Mostly because I was not the one to disassemble it, but getting the cams and timing all lined back up again was majorly annoying. I'm sure those cam locks shown in the FSM would be a big help.

now, you said all the heads are the same ...are you seriously telling me that everything from 1993 to current is the exact same, all the bolt holes and mounting bosses are perfectly identical. right? If so, then my bad idea keeps getting worse...
 

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3.2, 3.5, and 3.5 HO heads are all the same. I vaugely remember hearing these heads flow better than 1st gen heads but no numbers or proof backing it up.

so yes, 1st gen and 2nd gen heads are different, but all 2nd gen heads are the same.

and because im a nice guy

1G headgasket

2G
 

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bah you went to a 3.5...your not my friend anymore :p
Lol, its my winter beater ...I dont think I qualify as a convert.
The massive pile of 3.3/3.8 parts and engine build in progress shows where my loyalties are.

Thanks for the clarification Kyle, might want to be a little more specific next time. btw, I could post up some pics of the 93-00 3.3/3.8 head gasket compared to the 01+ and you would think they are totally different but in reality they are nearly identical.

Honestly after reading about the 2gen head swap (yes, its true I do my own research once in a while) it looks like a huge pita for hardly any gain. You need to weld, cut, modify, splice, etc... and all for some marginally larger intake valves? Has anyone looked into dropping the 2gen valves into a 1gen head? Some simple machine work and it would suddenly be plug and play. Its an interesting thought but its not very high on my priority list. If I find a set of heads on the cheap I might give it a try but for now its not going to happen. I've already got four performance mods in the works for this engine...:rolleyes:
 

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Today's episode of "WTF is Chewie up to??" (or as I once heard it "As the wrench turns") kicks off with a rousing game of...


Guess The Part!
Only a couple of you will be able to tell what it is, even fewer will know why I did what I did to it...



In other news, took the car for a roadtrip today, approx 150miles. avg 16.7mpg It also loosened up a nail in the left rear tire and got down to 5psi. I had to swap on the "spare" for the return trip, no biggie ...just annoying.

The answer to this and more, coming soon!
 
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