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My company van's ac died. So I get to drive around in Magnum for a few days. It's not bad. The 2.7 make sit get up and go well enough, but it will never be hot rod without some form or forced induction.

The one irritating thing about it is when you get on the gas from a stop, not much happens for the first few seconds. Not until you get over 20mph. Then when you get on the gas the 2.7 delivers. I think they put in a gradual opening sub-routine on the throttle controller at low speeds. Maybe to prolong the life of the tranny in the larger, heavier, more-likely-to-be-heavily-loaded station wagon?

It gets great mileage, though. I'm estimating at around 30. I'll know better in the next couple of days.

The interior is a little dumb. Who thought anyone wanted their guages to be at the bottom of a well? What is up with that? But otherwise, not as dumb as in a Charger.

Jim Snover
 

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Well, they haven't made a Hemi for the street in like, 30+ years, now. Surely you don't meant the not-really-a-hemi? No thanks. The 2.7 is a much better engine.

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Coulda..... shoulda ... got a hemi!
 

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I would think that the 2.7 would be breathing pretty heavy in the Maggie. Hell, I think the 3.5 would be a little better, but still labored.
 

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Oh yeah, I'm trimming my toenails on the cooling fans, that's how far you have to push the gas pedal. But the 2.7 is happy at 6500rpm all day long.

And it's getting 31mpg.

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I would think that the 2.7 would be breathing pretty heavy in the Maggie. Hell, I think the 3.5 would be a little better, but still labored.
 

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Well, they haven't made a Hemi for the street in like, 30+ years, now. Surely you don't meant the not-really-a-hemi? No thanks. The 2.7 is a much better engine.

Jim Snover
I think you need to drive a magnum with a 3.5 or a HEMI before you say the 2.7 is a much better engine!

There are lots of 345 hp hemi's out there getting 27+ mpg and not breathing hard!
 

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Not arguing with it's power. Just it's name, and it's design. The new hemi is just a warme-over Chevy small block with a sideways bath-tub combustion chamber. And a really dumb valvetrain geometry. And a really dumb head design that gives you all the size required for a DOHC-type design, without the benefits of having DOHC's. And it's only got two valves per cylinder.

Now, you take the head design of the 2.7, scale it up to 350 cubic inches, and see which one has more power. Or even better yet, take two 2.7's and make a 5.4 liter v-12. Chrysler even had several of those made up for tests.

The new Hemi embodies exactly what makes me grind my teeth about Chrysler: they could be the greatest, but they always seem to take the also-ran course.

Jim Snover

I think you need to drive a magnum with a 3.5 or a HEMI before you say the 2.7 is a much better engine!

There are lots of 345 hp hemi's out there getting 27+ mpg and not breathing hard!
 

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The one irritating thing about it is when you get on the gas from a stop, not much happens for the first few seconds. Not until you get over 20mph. Then when you get on the gas the 2.7 delivers. I think they put in a gradual opening sub-routine on the throttle controller at low speeds. Maybe to prolong the life of the tranny in the larger, heavier, more-likely-to-be-heavily-loaded station wagon?
Jim Snover
Doubt if it's a gradual throttle opening. More likely it's because the torque peak is at something like a stratospheric 4800 rpm and it doesn't have any guts until you get RPM's up.
 

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Big difference between the 2.7 & 3.5 Magnum in terms of acceleration. With the 2.7 0-60 mph is about 10.5 secs for the 2.7. With the 3.5 it is 7.5 secs. From Car and driver:

"Having already burned the treads off a 300C Hemi, we focused the drive time on a Magnum SXT with the 3.5 V-6 and four-speed automatic, a familiar Chrysler slushbox shared with, among other vehicles, the Dodge Dakota pickup. No manuals are offered on the Magnum or 300C.
Tuned up for this year with a variable-length intake manifold, the big 3.5 pulls hard but doesn't generate grins like the Hemi. We ducked the cops on a desert back road to steal a 7.5-second 0-to-60 with a 15.8 quarter-mile at 89 mph."

I have the 5 speed autostick on mine, not the 4 speed as mentioned in the article.
 
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