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With all this talk of K&N I'd like to see someone run out to the dyno at sears tire or whathaveyou... lets see some numbers. This discussion has gone far enough without adding some new data.

I mean sh1t, once I get some upgrades done I'm gonna run out there and check it out...how much more validation of a job well done could you get?


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When I get the time, yes for sure I will be Dyno'ing and will be happy to share the results good or bad, hopefully good.

This weekend I'm putting together some video of quarter mile and 0-60 runs with my crew and will be glad to share them with the forum for whoever's interested.


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move along, nothing to see here


yeah.
Everyone is kicking this intake issue around almost ass munch ass they kick around MP.

dyno tit

OK, what actually happenend is I posted the wrong post in the wrong forum so I posted that crap.


Deal with it

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Originally posted by SOVIET_UNION:

I'd like to see someone run out to the dyno at sears tire
Sears has a Dyno???? I hope so, then I could dyno mine in the near future.
 

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Was that a joke...? I might be goin' to Sears.....!

Later guys.....

RE: Kickin' me around:
It's cool, people can kick all they want, I've been kicked to the ground before but I ALWAYS get back up....!
 

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No seriously, I don't know about anywhere else but I'm half-sure that the sears tire and auto we have in roanoke has a dyno.

I'l call around and see what I can dig up tonight.
 

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Hey man I'm in blacksburg so your pretty close. But a dyno at a tire store I think you might be a tad mistaken. I have never ever heard of a sears auto store having an in shop dyno, and obviousally not in roanoke. Don't even know of a single dyno period in the city of roanoke. The closest one to us is like in nc, and up north in the state, the one here at tech for tiny engines only , and traveling chassis dyno's.
 

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Well I guess that settles it. Where in NC did you spake? I wonder what that service costs?

I immagine with a Charger You'd turn some heads running tests.

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Heh, funny you should ask.

The Soviet Union, or COBETKNH SOYUZ, was a mis-guided interpretation of marxist leninism which existed on earth between November 1917 and January 1991.

Or rather, in reference to me, its a screename that I've been using for a while. I picked up the CCCP name several years ago, I think it started as a metaphor for sharing beer and piza, and my general familiarity with russian culture. Its also a really unique screename that gets a lot of questions asked, and is a rather neat way to say "BOO!".


So, MY soviet union is a metaphor. If given the russo-asian empire of the cold war era, I would have pushed heavily for an internet and the importation of Chrysler products.

But thanks for asking!
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Hell naaw, I found it interesting and unique....

I've always been interested in Soviet planes like the Tuplev TU-144 etc., they copied British Areospace's Concorde and the some of the TU-144's were disasters but I always found it intreguing. Tuplev also copied the United States' Boeing 727 and McDonnell Douglases DC-8/9 series commercial jetliner but put two sets of rear fusologe mounted jet turbines trying to outdo the US/MDC. I have been facinated with commercial jets for some reason, especially the Tuplev/Russian verision w/their Sovejet jet engines that are similar to Pratt & Whitney and Areo (Actually now a DaimlerChrysler company)'s designs. I'm not really Russian, I'm german and mexican but I personally find Russian technology interesting.
 

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Dyno Result are as follows because you asked.

Adding a K&N stock replacement filter neted 1 HP, Yes 1

Adding a K&N Cone Filter to the end of the Stock system netted the same 1HP

So, the stock airbox is not a hinderance at all.

The 1 hp difference is so small that it could be error within the Dyno jet!

As everyone has stated, the restriction in the stock system is the Stock TB elbow.
 

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Actually...the TU144 and the Concorde were developed nearly at the same time, the TU144 actually was started a few years before the Concorde. The first flight of the TU144 was December 31, 1968, making it the first supersonic (Mach 2 capable) passenger jet to ever fly. It was shelved after a series of testing crashes which later was proven to be pilot error rather than engineering error.

I remember all this from many hours watching the History Channel. :)

The idea of the hydraulicly lifted and lowered nose piece was invented by the Russian Aerospace engineers. Amazing bit of technology, and of course most of thier planes were. A MIG fighter could out maneuver any other fighter aircraft of similar designation.

Amazing planes.

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Originally posted by SOVIET_UNION:
Heh, funny you should ask.

The Soviet Union, or COBETKNH SOYUZ, was a mis-guided interpretation of marxist leninism which existed on earth between November 1917 and January 1991.
That's the kind of smartass answer that I would give. :) Me likey. :)

Please don't get me wrong. I have no problems with your screen name. I just started to see you sign your posts CCCP so I had to ask. :)
 

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Just sprinkle on a little communism and everyone forgets K&N...

Where did you get that tested? Manage to get any pics of the 1HP gain?

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LHSer, Yeah I watched that too a while back, managed to forget that info though, sharp guy, sharp guy! I got too many things goin' on right now to even remember where or when I was born.

Yeah, Pilot error is very common especially when there is a lot of pressure to prove a point like at one time with the Russians.

Not Russian, but I remember Airbus was demonstrating their A310 w/a full time automatic pilot and a Joystick control for manual pilot takeover. The Pilot did what the press called a "Cowboy Like" manuver and tried to climb to steep to quick to clear some trees, the plane didn't make it and the tale end smashed into the trees, several were killed and I believe he was charged with murder. I personally think it's kind of contraversial being that they are paid to show off the capabilities of these aircraft and impress people. You would think these guys for these prototype demonstrations would be top pilots. I think the main problem is the pressure in these instances.


Later

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The best fighter in the world is the SU-37 Super Flanker Bigger than a F-15. Can out turn and F-16, do the Cobra at 200 ft and Shot missle`s behind its self. Carrries 14 AA Missle`s and a 30mm Cannon with laser sighting in the Pilots visor. He turns his head and the missle tracks and homes on the bad guys jet. Over 1,800 miles and hour and very fast climb rate. The only two other jets that can out climb it are the mach 3+ plus Mig 31 Foxhound and the US super secret mach 7+ Aurora spy plane. The only Dyno data i have on my cone KN is about 3 hp max. My Dakota was about the same 3 to 5 hp.
 

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Tight..., Damn, you cold f' someone up with that.....

Spook... K&N cone as in Intake kit w/heatshield.... or K&N cone filter on end of stock tubing.....?

Not to doubt anyone but something doesn't make sense mathmatically and maybe you guys can clear it up.....

Someone's R/T was dyno'd at 171HP or something with an "L" intake and BOSCH P 4+'s I think....?

From what everyone says there is a 30% loss to the front wheels, adding 30% to that in my head is like 222HP.....? R/T w/222HP....?

Not tryin' to be an ass but it doesn't make sense to me....

Is there actually more of a loss at the wheels or was the Dyno incorrect....? Sound like he should have been gettin around 260HP after the math.

Don't mean to put anyone on the spot, perhaps I'm missing something.....

Later guys

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Originally posted by SPOOK R/T:
The best fighter in the world is the SU-37 Super Flanker Bigger than a F-15. Can out turn and F-16, do the Cobra at 200 ft and Shot missle`s behind its self. Carrries 14 AA Missle`s and a 30mm Cannon with laser sighting in the Pilots visor. He turns his head and the missle tracks and homes on the bad guys jet. Over 1,800 miles and hour and very fast climb rate. The only two other jets that can out climb it are the mach 3+ plus Mig 31 Foxhound and the US super secret mach 7+ Aurora spy plane.
Does nobody know of the best jet in the world, the F-22 Raptor??? It is more stealthy than the F-117, doesn't need an afterburner to achieve Mach speed, and can basically turn on a dime. Not to mention the electronics package is superb.

As for the missles, you can put that system on any jet. Laser sighting is used in the Apache (I know, it's a helicopter) in the same manner.

I do believe the current speed record is held by the spy jet SR-71 Blackbird (a jet way ahead of it's time).

While we are on the subject, can you just imagine what type of plans the government has now that we don't know about? Hell, the stealth planes (F-117 & B2) were built in the 70's. We didn't find out about them until late 80's & early 90's.

Damn I want to be a part of Skunkworks!!! :)
 

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actually what happened in france was an airbus a320, they were demoing fly by wire controls. they were doing an autoland, initiated a go-around but nobody armed the TOGA (takeoff/go-around) switch which allows use of maximum thrust. the pilots had the throttles all the way forward but the computer wouldn't give them more power because it thought they were still trying to land. that's why even though the nose was up the plane wasn't gaining altitude--the computer wouldn't give it the thrust to climb.

by the way, 171 / .7 equals 244, around the correct crank hp for an R/T. that's 30% loss. if you bet on 33% loss and divide 171 / .67 you get 255hp, which seems feasible in this case - i figure spook's mods gave him around 15hp, add in dyno inconsistency and there you have about the right amount of power.

also btw, russian technology is awesome - too bad their country can't produce them mainstream enough to be truly effective. also keep in mind that russia's military is all defense-minded. the range of most of their fighters is laughable. notice it took them 10 years to fail in afghanistan where we succeeded in 5 months. they are a defensive military.
 
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