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I just got my EVIC-psi. It was quickly bolted into my 2000 LHS, replacing the OTIS.

I have not yet installed my pressure sensors, but wanted to program them anyway.

I went to the appropriate menu and the EVIC instructed me to train the left front wheel.

With the sensor in my hand, I put the training magnet over the valve stem . . . . NOTHING. The activity timed out and I restarted the process, using a different sensor. Nothing still. None of the sensors will program.

Can anyone tell me if the sensors need to be pressurised to work or something?

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There is probably incificient pressure in the normal air for the PSI moniter to detect anything.

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If you think about it, if a tire deflated when the car was parked, the sensor would need to communicate the fact to the EVIC. So it MUST be able to send 'zero pounds relative pressure' messages.

So unless it requires initial tire pressure to actually turn the transmitter on in the first place, I for one would have expected to be able to 'learn' the sensors. Does this make sense?

I don't want to pay to mount 5 transmitters only to find out that there's something wrong with the EVIC - or the transmitters (though they DO look to be brand new).

Seems to me that you had some spare transmitters? If they're new, you might want to try an experiment - try learning one of your new sensors to your car - if indeed these things need to be pressurised to start them up, you will not be able to learn the unmounted sensor.

On the other hand, if the unit DOES learn, I have an EVIC problem and will need to negotiate a return to the person who sold me the package.

It IS pretty though.
 

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Did you buy this from an auction on ebay recently? If so Talk to Wire2 he is the seller of this item and may be able to provide you some help.

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I do not think the sensors will train unless they are mounted to the wheel.
 

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YES, YOU CAN TRAIN THE SENSORS IN YOUR HAND! I've done it while I was sitting in the car. Just put the EVIC into training mode and put the magnet over one of the sensors in your hand.......and wait a couple seconds......the car SHOULD beep. If not, I have no idea what's wrong???
 

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I was having some problems with a couple of sensors that I had bought that were not training on the wheel. I was told by the parts guy at Dodge that they SHOULD train without being on the wheel. If they don't, they are dead and you have to replace that sensor since they are non-serviceable. Even tried at the dealership training them out of the wheel and they worked. Gives an error message on the EVIC. :p
 

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Well, based on what I was told I went and paid the local Goodyear Centre (can you tell I'm Canadian?) to mount the 5 sensors.

Unit STILL will not train on ANY of them.

I brought up the self test - it passed

I brought up the statistics display and obviously, since nothing's trained, I don't get any counts.

Given how unlikely it is for five brand new sensors to be completely dead, it seems to me like the PSI feature on the EVIC is not working. That's 'good' because I don't want to pay another $64 plus tax to change out the sensors.

The Homelink works, as does the trip computer, distance to service, compass and thermometer, so it isn't a wiring problem

Anyone have any bright ideas? Perhaps completely disconnecting the module and reconnecting it?

I've written to the person who sold the sysem to me, but it's too soon to have heard back.

ANY suggestions welcome.
 

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Well, I had a bright idea.

I went by a local D-C dealer and asked the service advisor for help (OK, they were clued out - started talking about wiring modifications - what modifications? - and warranties being void - mine expired last month), then I parked my LHS next to a EVIC-PSI equipped Pacifica they had on their lot and put my EVIC into learn-mode.

Yup, my EVIC learned the Pacifica's transponder. I then moved through MY transponders to fill in the rest of the blanks and not one was learned.

So if they indeed are learnable off the car (and the seller had told me they needed to be mounted and pressurised before they started transmitting) then I received 5 dead transponders (brand new, by the way) and wasted $74 (including tax) installing them.

I wonder if the fact that the magnet was inside the package might have discharged the batteries?

Arghhhhhhh !!!!!
 

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Again if they are dead. Talk to the seller. Hes very interesting in helping you get them fixed!

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Damm... I am sorry to hear about your bad experience. Ive sold many an EVIC package with sensors and only one of my buyers have had issues with training. And his issues from what I hear are very intermittent. I sent him replacement sensors... didnt help. Sent him a replacement EVIC+... didnt help either. Some people ive learned just have overall trouble getting this working. Probably cause in reality... these EVIC+ units and sensors are really not made for our Treps. But what can you do?

Contact the seller that sold you the sensors. I know that I always stock extra sensors in case soneone that buys stuff from me needs spares. If your seller absolutely jerks you over... and you can't get any help from him... throw me a PM and ill try to help you out. I feel bad. I could probably send you a sensor for a nominal fee to see if that helps you. I know Intrepid99 had sensors, but I dont know if he has anymore.

Let us know how it works out. Where did you get this package from? Care to say who? (It wasn't me... that I know). :D
 

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One other thing. Ottowrkr once told me that the batteries in these sensors are made to last 5-10 years easy. So since these sensors debuted in the 2002 model line (one year ago)... i highly doubt the batteries are just dead like that. But I could be wrong I guess.
 

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Seller checked his inventory and confirms that a number of his are non-functional. I believe it's because he probably stored the sensors next to his collection of training magnets.

Consider that the training magnet causes the sensor to transmit continuously, instead of the usual once-per-hour (when not in motion) which is a majority of the time.

I'm guessing that the battery has 7-10 year life based on an average of one hour or two of driving per day, the rest once-per-hour.

So essentially they completely drained.

Seller has sent another full set of sensors by express mail and tells me he has included 'a token amount to help offset your install costs' - certainly not unfair, but it would have been better if he covered the entire first install cost or better yet, if I could have managed to get D-C to pay for the replacements under warranty.

But unless it was on the car from the factory (where it would be covered under the 3 year) - or purchased from a dealer as an accessory (which would provide a one year warranty, but would not cover labour), SOL.

So even though it cost me a bit of aggravation, all's well that (hopefully) ends well.

So that everyone knows . . . . .

1. The senders can be programmed off-vehicle.
2. Test them by learning them before you spend the $$$ to install them.

Also - I AM STILL ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A 2001-2004 LHS/300M BCM for a reasonable price.

Thanks for the information and offers of support. Hopefully I'll be able to get a number of years of trouble-free service from these senders . . . and I won't have to appeal to everyone's generosity down the line.
 

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Ahhhhh... you know I never realized that. If you store the magnet with the sensors... it can trigger them. Hmmmm... interesting find... ill have to keept hat in mind.
 

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DjPiLL said:
Ahhhhh... you know I never realized that. If you store the magnet with the sensors... it can trigger them. Hmmmm... interesting find... ill have to keept hat in mind.
Mine never worked until I got my 30k service done and they set them with the scan tool. They promptly died later that day, then came back for a few hours the next day. I haven't had them work since. This is as good an explanation as I've heard yet. I wonder if Randy still has that set of sensors for sale?
 

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Mine never worked until I got my 30k service done and they set them with the scan tool. They promptly died later that day, then came back for a few hours the next day. I haven't had them work since. This is as good an explanation as I've heard yet. I wonder if Randy still has that set of sensors for sale?

RT: I am waiting on a shipment of goodies... thats supposed to have a couple of tire sensors in there. Ill see if I can send you a couple more... and ill try to train them on my R/T and see if they work before I send them out to you.

I'd hate to see you buy a set of five sensors if you dont have to.
 

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This would explain my problem with the sensors. When I first received them (about 9 months ago), they trained OFF the car with no problems. However, now that I've finally installed 'em, I can't train them. And, they've been stored away (with the magnet) for the entire nine months.

Dammit. I wist I'd know this fact. Owell... more $$$ to spend on my little treppy!

EDIT: However, I just found out my dealer has 4 in stock at $35.00 a piece! That's a great price! (Assuming 52088990AC is the right part number)
 
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