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May be a stupid question but do I have to swap the gauge faces only to put a Concorde set into an Intrepid?...Popped whole unit in and getting ABS, AIRBAG and BRAKE warning lights.
 

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You should be able to do this without taking out the gauge cluster, but you do have to remove the bezel around the cluster.

Take off the clear plastic window first. Just two screws on the bottom holding it on, and pull/wiggle it until the plastic clip things let go. Then pull off the face itself. The motors and needles come with it. The only thing it's held in by is the friction of the metal springy pieces that give power to the motors. Push the Concorde face in, and put it all together.

I did this at a junkyard to make an Autostick Concorde cluster, since none apparently exist from the factory. I removed the whole cluster from the car, but like I said, you shouldn't have to.
 

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I'm thinking he's more worried about the warning lights?

It appears he has an SE which probably doesn't have ABS hence the ABS and Brake warning lights on the Concorde cluster. The Airbag light might be because the Concorde had Side Air Bags and his SE doesn't?

What year/model car do you have that you're trying to put the Concorde cluster into? Also what year car did the Concorde cluster come out of?

Changing out just the Gauge Faces won't take care of the problem.
 

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Changing out just the Gauge Faces won't take care of the problem.
I think he's just putting the Concorde face on the Intrepid cluster. In that case, he would keep all of the stock Intrepid electronics and programming.
 

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Depends on what year Concorde Cluster it is. If it's the earlier style cluster with the black face and chrome trim rings then yes you can swap the the gauge faces with no problems. If it's a later year Concorde cluster with the White EL lighting gauge face..then no you can't just swap faces as the Intrepid cluster back doesn't have the circuitry for the EL lighting.

That's why I asked about the model year car the cluster came out of.
 

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True; I hadn't thought about those. Did they use them in regular Concordes, or only in the LHS/Concorde Limited? I haven't really been in any newer ones since they normally don't have much anything newer than '01 or '02 at the junkyard.

Then there's also those really boring black-faced Concorde clusters that don't have chrome rings and have a different gauge layout than the other 2nd gen's. Couldn't swap that with an Intrepid face, either.
 

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White face, chrome ring gauges ...99 or 2000 Concorde I think...bottom of gauges not quite covered by trim panel either...going into 2001 SE...non abs
 

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I'm going to say the best bet for any compatibility would be a Concorde cluster with the black face and chrome trim rings. If the car that comes out of doesn't have ABS then it would be the best match. You can swap that cluster in complete with just a swap of the front clear plastic bezels.Or swap the black face with your current Intrepid back. You can't use a 300m cluster because your car doesn't have ABS or Autostick. You can add Autostick fairly easy with a shifter change and the addition of some wiring to take care of that but you'll still get the ABS/Brake light warnings on those.
There's a procedure running around where you can print out the instructions and take it to the dealer and try and convince them to "relearn" the cluster you have with that procedure. I suspect many dealers won't be bothered and if you find one that will it would be a 1/2 hour to an hour of labor at a cost of $50-100 or more.

Also that bar code that's visible can be covered with tape or painted with semi-flat black paint to cover it.
 

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No, the white faced one won't work. I mean, the gauge needles should move and everything, but you'd have to find a way to add the inverter for the electroluminescent backlighting. It's doable, but might be more work than it's worth. I'd doubt they ever made an LHS or 300M without ABS either, so you'd have the warning light problem with any cluster like that. You could easily swap a black-faced chrome ring Concorde gauge face though.
 

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So.....get another cluster..300m specific?....or live with the warning lights?....Gauge lights, signal etc all seem to work ok
 

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Best bet is to get the Concorde black face with chrome rings and swap the front with your Intrepid one. Keep the Intrepid back section in.

All the 300m clusters will have Autostick and ABS. So you really couldn't use any of them.

The big issue in keeping that cluster in there that you have now is the Air Bag warning light. There's been plenty of discussion on here and it's never been proven that the airbags are functional with that light on. It hasn't been proven the other way around either but I myself wouldn't take a chance. Most likely the reason the airbag light is on is that the cluster came from a car with side airbags in the seats.
 

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Alrighty....back to the drawing board i guess.....so back lit pc 194,s in the old guage won't light up the LHS faces?
 

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The white faced gauges in 300m/Concorde/LHS are EL(Luminescent) backlighting. No Intrepid gauge back section has the Inverter circuitry to run the EL lighting. You could wire in an aftermarket inverter or modfy your Intrepid back somehow using the stock EL inverter circuitry maybe. Aftermarket inverter would probably be double or more the price of another cluster.
 

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This is what you should look for. This is just the Concorde cluster front section on my 2000 Intrepid R/T cluster back section. The R/T has Autostick and your SE doesn't but that won't matter as you're just swapping the black front section with just the gauge motors and warning lights. The back section has the important electronics. You keep your original Intrepid cluster back section in the car.

Check the F/S section or post a new thread in there. If seen them listed.

 

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K....thanks for all the info.....going to sleep on it...Have non auto stick cluster if u r interested... :p
 

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Sorry..I don't need any more clusters. I must have 5 or 6 of the different types already. Toss up a For Sale thread and see if anyone wants it.
 

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Ok you got me all curious, so I went in my box o' parts, grabbed my 300M cluster, and took it apart. The inverter is on a separate circuit board that's soldered on to the main board. You could unsolder it and wire it into the Intrepid cluster, but it has 4 input pins, and I'm not sure what they all connect to. If it had two, I'd say wire them right to the socket for a cluster illumination bulb, but it doesn't. I took a couple pictures of it:


If you remove the face of the cluster, you'll see the inverter. It's inside a brown plastic box behind the top of the tach. You can remove the box to see the guts but I don't recommend it; it's not easy to take off and even harder to put back on (VERY tight fit). The first picture is the inverter with the plastic cover removed, and the second is the backside of the main board where the inverter solders on (inside the printed dotted line).

*If* you're going to bother with all this, you're probably going to want to get an inverter from somewhere else and wire it in. But it's probably way more work than it's worth to you.

You could try to find a cluster from an earlier LHS ... those won't have side airbags or Autostick (I can't remember ever seeing an Autostick LHS, anyway), but that won't take care of the issue with the ABS light. I agree with everyone else; black and chrome Concorde cluster is your best bet.
 

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Great research and pictures. The next big question is what does a stock Intrepid cluster PCB look like in that area of the circuit board?

I think Wendell has wired up a stock inverter to a non EL cluster PCB.
 

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Here's the same area on an Intrepid cluster:

They stuck that OKI chip where the inverter is on the 300M cluster. It's definitely a different PCB also because there isn't a cutout behind the top of the speedo/temp gauge area for the backlighting wires to run through like there is on the 300M part.

I was too lazy to pull the face off the cluster and see of there was anything on the other side of the board.

I think Wendell has wired up a stock inverter to a non EL cluster PCB.
That's MeanMugga, isn't it? I have a hard time putting names with forum usernames. But if it is, he does some cool mods. I've gotten some ideas from seeing his stuff, but whether or not I'll ever get around to doing them is another question.
 

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Almost forgot...another option if you want the EL lighting is the Police cluster. The gauge face is almost the same look as the standard Intrepid but it goes up to 150 mph. It has the EL backlighting like the white faced 300m/Concorde/LHS gauges. The "Indiglo" look. No Police Intrepids had Autostick so you're good there. Not sure if all Police Intrepids came with ABS or not?

Yes Wendell would be MeanMugga. Check out his threads...he might have a write up for an inverter install or PM him.

Looking at your first set of pictures...are there four or six soldered connection on the back in that dotted line area for the Inverter?
 
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