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Well, as some of you may know, the factory installed lights on first generation Treps are crap. I would really like to upgrade the lights/bulbs to something brighter. Any reccomendations or suggestions? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
 

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PIAA headligts are nice. They offer their XTRA technoloy which means they are more effiecent than regualar bulbs. That way if you want brigher than stock lights you can achieve that without drawing any more current. Too much current could cause an excess heat or fire. They offer many types of headlight and foglight bulbs. Their Super White headlights are street legal and are a nice color. For the driving lights on the car you could get the same color or if you like the yellowish tint they have that and plasma which has a higher temp color than HID. www.piaa.com
 

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Any other suggestions? All help appreciated.
 

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APC Plasma White. They are about $25 for a pair. 80/100 watt bulbs that have a really white beam with a bluish cast. It helped my night vision significantly. :)
 

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buschman bought a set of aftermarket assemblies, said they work a lot better than just replacing the bulbs in the OE housing. if i remember correctly he also said the set ran about $120.
 

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PIAA bulbs are expensive, but the best always are.

I highly recommend the super white bulbs

I used these in my headlights and also in my fogs, they make a noticable difference, are street legal and will not damage your lighting harnesses due to excessive heat
 

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You may wish to read some about different bulbs etc:
http://lighting.mbz.org/tech/info/bulbs/

Dan was giving info/advice on this web site several years before he started selling anything, so, I feel his statements are unbiased.

My experience with higher watt bulbs is they did nothing to improve visability since the problem with our cars is poor optics - designed for asthetics rather than functionality. Mine were, as Dan calls them, 3rd world junk (made in Korea) and lasted only about 6 months. They burned out 1 week apart.
 

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hey, this kinda goes along with this, do they seel new fixtures? or is there a way to clean the darned things? cause the headlight holder dealies (not caught up on all the lingo yet) suck alot! and are all brownish green and crap, and I've buffed them with plastic polish stuff..and that helped a little bit but not alot...what do I do?
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Hey Alex, I don't know what to recommend but I can tell you of my trials and tribulations (LOL).
My 93 was actually dangerous to drive at night the headlights were so crappy. I got tired of holding a flashlight out the window (just joking but it was almost that bad!) so I tried other stuff. 100W bulbs that burned out in 6 mos and driving lights that a curb promptly knocked off!
In 96, I found a TSB that told Chrysler dealerships to replace pre-96 Concorde lights with 96 model units. I approached Chrysler with TSB in hand and at 75K miles, they GAVE me $450 worth of 96 headlights if I'd install them (it took a couple of phone calls but I got my lights!). Helped a littel bit but beam pattern still doesn't compare to the European!
I spent HOURS searching and reading anything I could find on automobile headlights. The most imformative stuff I found was on Dan Sterns site.
The REAL solution is european spec headlights & H4 bulbs supplied on our cars sold in Belbuim but the $600+ price tag will cause you to step back & rething that one - it did me!
One really annoying thing I noticed with my Concorde was when I'd hit the brights, the low beams would actually go off leaving a sizable dark spot in front of the car. So I wired a relay, that was energized by the hi beam, to power the low beam so they would stay on all the time. Then I added another couple of relays & 12 gauge wire to power the lights using the factory wiring only to energize the relays (ala Dan Stern's instructions). This eliminates the potential (and very real) voltage drop across the headlight on/off switch, the dimmer switch and the miles of factory itsy bitsy gauge wire. I was actuall getting only about 10.5-11.5 volts to the headlights before the relays - now get whatever the altinator is putting out (13.5 or so). I did notice "brighter" light after the relays were added - but still not like I'd like it due to the crappy beam pattern.
I now see Dan lists some "good" blue lights and I may give them a try if I can find some.

BTW, I am most interested in the aftermarket assemblies mentioned that "bushman" installed. I don't know "bushman"....anyone have any details?

-steve

[ January 09, 2002: Message edited by: 79lilred ]
 

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If you're looking for some really hot lamps for your car check out wire-works.com. I replaced the lamps on my motorcycle and they are awesome...
 

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Theres not a hell of a lot you can do to our lights (other than changing the refelctive material-which I am trying to do) or putting new lights on (anyone work in a glass or plastics factory? :)

The problem is with the housing itself, not the bulbs. I put Eaglite Xenon bulbs in (55/65w) and noticed almost no difference. Even if you put the 100W high output bulbs in, it STILL wont make much of a difference because the design and beam pattern of the housing sucks. You will get SOME difference, but you will melt your housing and could have a fire...nice eh? I am putting two auxiliary lights on the front grill with 100W H3 bulbs in it. Now, the reflective surface of these are about 95% efficient, compared to the Intrepids (maybe 35-45% efficient) So, in other words these lights will be very bright (YES!!!) and will probably blind people. Sooo....I am running a relay connection to the high beam/low beam switch on the steering wheel so the lights only come on with the highs. I would wire it right to the bulb harness, but since I have Daytime Running Lights, the high beams are on (dim, but on) in the day, and I would have those auxiliary lights running needlessly all day long.
 

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By the way, whoever said that they found xenon lights with a highter color temp than HID, that is impossible. HID lights are the closes color to sunlight that you can get, and even the best Xenons can't touch them in color temperature or brightness.

Although expensive, HID are the best. Thats what I am going with when I get some bucks...
 

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Here is the link to the aftermarket headlight resaler online:
HeadlightWarehouse.com

They have good prices here for just about anything that has to do with lighting assemblies for just about any car.

Later,
 

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79lilred, I see you have a 'Cord, but do you have a TSB bulletin #. I wonder if there are any for the Pre 1996 Intrepids.
I have checked AllData but didnt se any.

Thanks
 

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In the spring i am going to make an attempt to graft a set of 2nd gen headlights into my '94 front end. It will take some trimming, but i have that fiberglass hood, so it should make it quite a bit easier. Hard part will be how to secure them in. Also, for you guys with Photoshop...can someone play around a little and see if they can do this on the computer? I figured there are enough front-shots of Intrepids that it wouldn't be too tough. I am just curious how the bigger lights will look in the 1st gens.

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MedicMan; sorry, only access I have to TSBs is via All-Data so I wouldn't have any more info than you've already found yourself.
-steve
 

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79lilRed... well thanks anyway ....
I know here in Canada at Canadian Tire they sell the replacement headlights for $73.00 can. But I have heard they are'nt much better than OEM.
Oh well. :cool:
 

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MedicMan; I'd guess if the "replacement" still uses the 9007 bulb rather than an H4 (which, for the price, I'd bet it does), it probably is not any better than the original.

-steve
 

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79lilred.... yeah..it still uses the 9007.
I just can't be bothered to do all the extrs heavy duty wiring/mods. I did add some driving lights and they help a bit.
 
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