Just for your information, most, not all, recognize what these cars are meant for. As you would have to admit a 12 valve 4 cylinder probe isn't much but do agree that the turbo gt's and v6 models were "quick cars." Most know that the dodge intrepid and its sister cars were designed mainly for one goal, to provide roomy, affordable, unique, responsive, and dependable transportation. The whole issue with the "kills" forum is being dealt with and a solution will be implemented sometime this week. I personally know what this car is and capable of, and see nothing wrong with those trying to make it faster than as it came stock. I do not see any car as fast until it turns 14's in the 1/4 so take that as you may wish. We no longer want people targeting and bashing other cars or the car this site is dedicated to either. If you or anyone outside the "intrepid" ring have a problem you need to contact me or randy who owns the site. We promise to reply to your concerns and no longer want such messages posted on this forum. As long as its in good taste we have no problem. Personally I welcome those with other cars here, since I have worked on cars ranging from porsche to anything domestic, and even helping probes go faster personally. If anyone has an issue with this contact me but do not post.