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From the Baltimore Sun:

Jimmie Johnson believes he won the Daytona 500 fair and square.

That is more than he can say about post-race comments that painted him as a cheater.

Johnson fired back yesterday at Ryan Newman, who said the victory wasn't "necessarily good for the sport." Johnson won the race Sunday without crew chief Chad Knaus, suspended for making an illegal modification to the No. 48 Chevrolet during qualifying.

"I think inside it felt good to [Newman] to take a shot at me," Johnson said yesterday during a media tour through New York. "He didn't win the race. That's what disappoints me. Be happy for me. I overcame a lot in this race. Why take a cheap shot?"

Newman, who finished third, said after the race: "This could still be the first opportunity for NASCAR to pull away a victory if the thing is illegal. It's disappointing. I think a lot of Jimmie Johnson and his talent, but I'm pretty sure at least three of his last four wins have had conflictions with the cars being illegal."

Those comments were made before Johnson's car passed post-race inspection. Johnson won the race for the first time in his five-year career after charging to the front with 14 laps remaining and holding on over two restarts.

Though Johnson understands drivers sometimes make emotional comments after races, he questioned some of what Newman has accomplished in the past.

Specifically in 2003, when Newman won a career-high eight races.

"It's well known that he got spectacular fuel mileage and there was something funny going along with that on his side with his equipment," Johnson said.

"I'm not one to judge people when they have infractions in our sport because all the crew chiefs walk that line. They're trying to find an advantage. That's what they're paid to do."

Johnson said every crew chief is trying to find an advantage, so Newman should have kept his thoughts to himself.

There was more fallout later in the day when NASCAR suspended Knaus for three more races and fined him $25,000 for making the illegal modification.

Knaus has had problems in the past, which probably led to the negative comments. Last March, he was accused of cheating after Johnson's win in Las Vegas when his car failed the post-race inspection. After a win in September in Dover, Del., Johnson's car again failed inspection.

Only that time, NASCAR said Knaus had exploited a loophole in the rule book, and the sanctioning body quickly closed it.

NASCAR, without comment, has also placed Knaus on probation for the rest of the year. It means the crew chief won't be able to push the limits the way he has done for much of the past four seasons.

Knaus seemed unrepentant yesterday.

"I think if we ran 25th every week we wouldn't be getting this attention," he said in a conference call.

Knaus also deflected several questions that gave him the opportunity to take responsibility for an alteration NASCAR has characterized as "blatant cheating."

"There's a lot of things out there that can be called intentional," Knaus said. "The fact of the matter is when NASCAR went back, it didn't fit the templates. How that happens is pretty irrelevant."

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Well as far as him questioning Newman's 8 wins it was determined that Newman not only didn't cheat, he showed just how good a driver he is. He used a legal but smaller carburetor, which in essence gave up some hp but also gave him better gas mileage. A few others teams tried it (Jeff Gordon was one of them) but it didn't last too long because they weren't quick enough.

What really sucks is what was in the 'For the Record' section.
It seems that the new team owned by Troy Aikmen and Roger Staubach were fined 25k, 25 owner points and Terry Labonte fined 25 driver points for using an illegal carburetor. Hmm.....what about equal penalties ? Especially when you factor in Johnson failing post race inspection after several of his most recent wins.

Like when they confiscated Tony Stewar's car but still let him race.

I hate it when Nascar does that but I swear there are different rules for different people or sometimes I wonder if they really have any rules.

What do you guys think ???
 

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moparman said:
"... I'm pretty sure at least three of his last four wins have had conflictions with the cars being illegal."
Conflictions ??

ya think maybe he picked up that gem from Dubya ?
 

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Um...yeah...Jimmie's car passed a 3-hour post race inspection. Anyone still think he cheated?

The guys that didn't win need to stop whining, go back the garage, prepare themselves and their cars to come back and race next week for a win. :rolleyes:
 

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He got nailed before the race. They got caught cheating. Plain and simple. In any other form of racing from what I've read they would have been sent home.
 

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Um....yeah...one thing....he did not get nailed before the race...or after the race. It was the week before...and this is NASCAR...not "any other form of racing"...Get over it.
 

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He got nailed before the race. They got caught cheating. Plain and simple. In any other form of racing from what I've read they would have been sent home.
He didn't get caught cheating. His team used all legal parts. They just used them in a creative way to his advantage. There was no rule agaist how they did it(well the result did break a rule). They used some "gray" area of the rules that NASCAR didn't like. That gives him an "A" for creativity. They accept the penalty and move to win. More power to a great driver and team. Chevy rules in NASCAR until Toyota moves in.
 

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Yeah right. A mechanical device that could raise or lower the rear window for aero advantages.

In2Deep - thanks for reminding me we're talking Nascar vs. other forms of racing. My only point was how they nailed a startup team but somehow one of their major sponsors keep finding ways to bend the rules, oh that's right, we are talking Nascar so what in essence are the rules ??? (if any)
 

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Um...yeah...Jimmie's car passed a 3-hour post race inspection. Anyone still think he cheated?

The guys that didn't win need to stop whining, go back the garage, prepare themselves and their cars to come back and race next week for a win. :rolleyes:
werd. Even though I'm not a fan of the 48 team, the car was legal and his win is legit.

Whether you agree or not with what's happening to JJ, you MUST agree that Darian Grubb is the luckiest man in NASCAR with 2 wins and a second place showing in his temporary crew chief position. Chad Knaus has to be wondering about his future security.
 

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werd. Even though I'm not a fan of the 48 team, the car was legal and his win is legit.

Whether you agree or not with what's happening to JJ, you MUST agree that Darian Grubb is the luckiest man in NASCAR with 2 wins and a second place showing in his temporary crew chief position. Chad Knaus has to be wondering about his future security.
You don't think Chad is running things from his blackberry. I works all week with thew team and just doesn't go to the track. The boy is still working all weekend with his team(by remote control).
 
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