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Well, on my last trip to the States for a parts hunt & delivery, the old Grand Caravan had a hell of a vibration at 65 MPH. OK, so I figured that would stop me from getting any tickets for speed for the most part - did get stopped, but Mass. trooper let me off, but that's another story.
Anyway, decided today to see which tire is out of balance, so was going to move them around and see what happens.
Since I had a set of 18" Specials and a set of 17" 12 spokes sitting beside the van, decided to see if they would fit.
The Specials fit the front fine, lots of clearances; the rears were stopped by the cone that covers the retainer nut. Damn thing was 1/8" too big to go through the hole in the centre of the wheel.
So, tried the 17" wheels, found this:

Suckers fit just fine, lots of clearance, van rides nice again, no vibrations.
Guess I'll keep them on for a bit until I get around to getting the stock 15"ers balanced. They are all chrome, BTW, just the way the light is hitting them, the front looks different.
Someone else might have a spare set oF 17s.
As a side note, I took this while waiting for Silver Special, of the OTIS, showing my average MPG up to that portion of the trip, about 1300 miles:

Not to shabby for a 3.3 with 300000 MILES on it. All original engine and trans.

Also today, I saw this:


Sorry the first pic isn't too sharp, but shows some sort of front nose kit.
On the rear he has the big decal, and along the front & rear doors he has a huge INTREPID decal. Couldn't get a good pic of that.
He has duals of some sort as well as headlight covers.
A bit too much for my tastyes, but,..................
 

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That's great fuel mileage!

I bet between all the modders on here, that Trep could be torn down to year,engine,what kind of exhaust, brake rotors,where he got what looks to be chrome door pillars, and everything else about that car. I also bet that at some time, he's been on this site.
 

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Looks good for 300K!
 

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That mileage is great, do you think the fact that you were keeping your speed down contributed or do you regularly get that kind of mileage?
 

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vans are always good on gas. Not sure as to why. Our work van is a 3.4L Oldsmobile silhouette that used to be our minivan, it has like 330,000 km and still gets average 7.5-8.0 L/100 km (i think its around 30 mpg). BUt its impressive for a van its size, its similar to Ross' in length (extended chassis) and lugs around a 95L tank.

I think vans are just sluggish to begin with, and theres no point in trying to floor them since they wont move much faster than normal anyways so maybe that helps. But im always amazed with how efficient it is, i know my dad used my car a few times the van was getting serviced and he noticed how fast the gauge dropped LOL.

Vans have their perks tho so i cant complain, im driving around with my go kart this whole week to boot around empty parking lots hehhe.

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vans are always good on gas. Not sure as to why. Our work van is a 3.4L Oldsmobile silhouette that used to be our minivan, it has like 330,000 km and still gets average 7.5-8.0 L/100 km (i think its around 30 mpg). BUt its impressive for a van its size, its similar to Ross' in length (extended chassis) and lugs around a 95L tank.

I think vans are just sluggish to begin with, and theres no point in trying to floor them since they wont move much faster than normal anyways so maybe that helps. But im always amazed with how efficient it is, i know my dad used my car a few times the van was getting serviced and he noticed how fast the gauge dropped LOL.

Vans have their perks tho so i cant complain, im driving around with my go kart this whole week to boot around empty parking lots hehhe.

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lol... my town & country with a 3.8L averages about 16mpg!
 

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That car as the showcars bodykit....Those wheels look nice on the van. :icon_cool
 

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Ross, I don't think you'll be able to kill that 3.3
The wheels look great on there.....

Maybe throwing a bone or two on the minivan will appease the minivan gods!!
 

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If those tires are a bit bigger your mileage will actually be a fraction higher.
My mileage has always been almost 8 - 10% out, due to the usual 225 - 15s tires that I have instead of the stock 205, so you are right that the actual MPG may be a bit higher, and the 17" are almost the same circumferance as the them.
The MPG shown was with the 15s.

I guess the MVGs must smile on me a lot Tom. Every year I figure it will be the last trip, but it just keeps on hanging in there.
In fact, the above tires have over 100,000 miles on them, and are still 1/2, and I will be putting only the 3rd set of rear shoes on this weekend.
It still has the original rotors and drums if you can believe.

It'll be hitting the road again the end of May to Dan's, then probably to Reading again.
 

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My mileage has always been almost 8 - 10% out, due to the usual 225 - 15s tires that I have instead of the stock 205, so you are right that the actual MPG may be a bit higher, and the 17" are almost the same circumferance as the them.
The MPG shown was with the 15s.

I guess the MVGs must smile on me a lot Tom. Every year I figure it will be the last trip, but it just keeps on hanging in there.
In fact, the above tires have over 100,000 miles on them, and are still 1/2, and I will be putting only the 3rd set of rear shoes on this weekend.
It still has the original rotors and drums if you can believe.

It'll be hitting the road again the end of May to Dan's, then probably to Reading again.
does that mean a visit?

i like when ross comes to visit, we get the sit and talk cars. :)
 

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lol... my town & country with a 3.8L averages about 16mpg!
its the tranny in the GM. It backs out when you let go of the gas. Like accelerating = ~ 3000 rpm at 70mph. When you go downhill or let off the gas it drops to 800rpm.

ITs very efficient in concept, they made it pretty well for its time but its a death trap if you get into an accident.

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does that mean a visit?

i like when ross comes to visit, we get the sit and talk cars. :)
Yes it does, has Dane contacted you yet? I think he was sort of going to ask if you could get his stuff dropped there.
Looks like the first week of June; tentetively scheduled at Dan's in Toledo for 31, so maybe Monday or Tuesday, depending on how much lolly-gagging I do on the way.
 

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its the tranny in the GM. It backs out when you let go of the gas. Like accelerating = ~ 3000 rpm at 70mph. When you go downhill or let off the gas it drops to 800rpm.
Wow, the amount of disinformation fans of one manufacturer spread about another is quite staggering.

None of the GM transmissions do anything of the sort, if you had one that did, it was broken. (And, yes, I've been through all the factory training on the 4T40E, 4T45E, 4T60E, 4T65E, 4L60E, 4L80E, and Allison transmissions, none of them do what you're talking about when they're operating properly.)

ITs very efficient in concept, they made it pretty well for its time but its a death trap if you get into an accident.

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I don't have enough posts to post URL's, but the Silhouette/Venture/Montana has very similar crash test data to the Grand Caravan (comparing 2003 vs 2003). I didn't look up the Lumina APV/Transport generation, and that may be which one you're thinking of as a death trap, but I really doubt it, with the spaceframe design, it basically had a built in roll cage.
 

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look it up on youtube FieroJimmy.

Its not a pretty test video.

The tranny thing is they way it came new and thats how it works so call GM and tell them about it if you are unhappy with their setup. Plus this van is a piece of crap, its used as a work vehicle to lug crap around.

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