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Sort of an update to an old post.
Found the specs on the U.K. Magnum, or as they call it Chrysler 300 Touring.
3.0 V-6 diesel is the same price as the 3.5 V-6. With the diesel the specs are:
0 to 60 8.6 seconds, top speed 136 MPH, mileage 34.9 mpg, and hiway mileage 42.8 mpg.
Just seems to me that this engine should be made an option through the line here. Maybe most people couldn't go with a diesel Challenger, but the 300, Charger, and Magnum if they would bring it back.
At 215 horse, and 376 foot pounds of torque this might even be a good base engine for a pick-up.
If you want to look at what's offered in the U.K. look at www.carpricechecker.co.uk
Looks like it would be a neat engine to have here.
 

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They can't. These Diesels can't pass emission standards in the US.

This is why once upon a time (before 2006 I believe), they had the VW Turbo TDI. Then these things disappeared when the emissions standards for 2006 passed. They are trying to bring these diesel vehicles back. But they have first solve the emissions issues.

Just FYI, diesels run lean by design (thus it is very gas efficient). But this type of running causes NOx and particulate matters. To deal with these, they need better catalyst (sometimes two huge ones) and particulate traps. Current technology doesn't do good enough jobs on these issues. So hopefully around 2010, they will be back...

BTW, gasoline direct injection has the exact same issues.
 

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The diesel emission regs are going to get tougher in 2010 for the big trucks. Some engine manufacturers are going to use urea injected into the exhaust stream. I think Mercedes bluetek technology works like that.

If you see a brand new truck going down the road today, look at the inside of the exhaust stack, it's as clean as the outside. Diesel is going to be cleaner than gas before you know it.
 

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The truck standards are going to be interesting. I own a 2000 Freightliner, and it's not being traided any time soon. I manage 7.5 MPG with my "Classic". The replacement currently sells for $130,000 , and gets 6 MPG. Hope they do some more work on that in the next couple years.
 

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Urea is one possibility. The problem is obviously that you don't want to make people fill up urea every so many miles. They can apparently generate Urea using fuel or something that would be better...

In any case, companies like Cummins have done lots of work to make diesel workable for 2010. So hold your breath...

BTW, for a freightliner type vehicle you might not see a MPG increase... But the stuff that comes out of the exhause is going to be more clean.
 

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That 7.5 is pretty damn good, is it a Detroit? I get 6.5 with my '01 International with an N14. I'm not going to trade it because it's almost paid for, it's almost profit time! Yay!
 

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Urea is one possibility. The problem is obviously that you don't want to make people fill up urea every so many miles. They can apparently generate Urea using fuel or something that would be better...

In any case, companies like Cummins have done lots of work to make diesel workable for 2010. So hold your breath...

BTW, for a freightliner type vehicle you might not see a MPG increase... But the stuff that comes out of the exhause is going to be more clean.
Yup, cummins want to do more with EGR. The problem is that this will affect performance and more importantly, fuel economy. No one is going to buy a new truck in '10.
 

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It's a 430/470 Detroit. Rebuilt about 6 months ago, at first the mileage wasn't that good, a little over 6, but as the engine worked in a little it got much better.
Also the 13 speed and 2.93 rears help, runs about 1300 rpm at 65 mph. Works really well for me.
Looked at all the snake oil add ons, but thinking that with a Classic having the air flow of a barn, I think I'm all the way there on mileage.
Put synthetic oil in on the last change, and think I might have picked up another 1/2 mile, but we'll see in a couple weeks.
By the way that's my last truck in the photo, got to post a photo of the new one, one of these days.
 

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As to the original post. Hard to imagine that a Magnum Wagon getting 42 MPG hi-way would really be bed for air quality.
 

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The 3.0 Deisel is available in the Grand Cherokee at least in Canada!

With that much hp and tqe it should be acceptable in the 300

Did the euro specs list a manual trans?
 

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The 3.0 Deisel is available in the Grand Cherokee at least in Canada!

With that much hp and tqe it should be acceptable in the 300

Did the euro specs list a manual trans?
ive seen a few, its so strange seeing the turbo diesel emblem on the back. IT seemed to be very quiet too.

I think europe is just an insight into the future, we have no choice but to follow. Chrysler just needs smaller motors in their diesels and they should be fine. Sedan fords in europe are generally around 1.1-1.5L i4 motors so that helps even more with the MPG.

If we dont master h2 first, our only choice is diesel to cope with the cost of fuel and perhaps take advantage of diesel although when i was in the us i noticed diesel prices were through the roof.

4.69$ per gallon was common at most pumps. :smilie_sc
 

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As soon as companies figure out how to kill the emissions from diesel, we'll see more of them here. In fact, we'll see more turbo direct injection gas as well... that will be pretty sweet.

H2 is AGES away... Lots of research being done at the moment. My university is partnering with several companies (including Ford who had their fuel cell fusion in our lab a little while ago) to study and control fuel cells. But it all comes down to whether we can produce hydrogen efficiently... If we can use solar power to generate hydrogen, then we'll have true emission free.
 

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As soon as companies figure out how to kill the emissions from diesel, we'll see more of them here. In fact, we'll see more turbo direct injection gas as well... that will be pretty sweet.

H2 is AGES away... Lots of research being done at the moment. My university is partnering with several companies (including Ford who had their fuel cell fusion in our lab a little while ago) to study and control fuel cells. But it all comes down to whether we can produce hydrogen efficiently... If we can use solar power to generate hydrogen, then we'll have true emission free.
ontario already has h2 plants that power government vehicles. Its just not released, i personally know about because im on one of those joint university programs. I had pics of the buses before, they are the huge fords with the v10 6.8L h2 supercharged engine LOL.

But as you said, production is terribly expensive and currently powered by renewable sources such as solar and wind with some success, nuclear is our best hope if we can do it soon enough.

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Did the euro specs list a manual trans?[/QUOTE]

No manual for the 300, BUT they do list a 1.9 turbo diesel Sebring Convert with a 6 speed manual that gets (drum roll please) 50.4 MPG hi-way. :drool: Oh, and they are built here and shipped over.
 
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