[Carlos]

Wuz up gys!
I have a serious dilemma. I already have my basic setup for my sound system. Now I'm almost ready to shop my amps and my subs. I was trying to get the Sony Xplod Amps, 1000 watts, and 2 12" 800 watts max. I've heard a lot of comments about Xplod. Some good, some not good. I went to check out the amps and subs to different stores here in town. I liked how Jl's, JBL's and Kicker's sound. So, i don't know what to get now!
Plus, I like loud deep compressed bass. But i don't know if it's better to get 2 12", or 3 10"! I'm going crazy here
Any feedback please??????

 

[Warlord187]

Well, you'll get more surface area with 3-10", and since bass is the movement of air, the more surface area, the more air is being pushed, the more bass you SHOULD get. However; typically (notice I said typically) 12" are able to play "deeper". I guess it will depend on how much room you have and how much of a budget you have. Two subs are usually easier to hook up than three subs also.

 

[Carlos]

Well, you know the space we have on the Treps is pretty big. I've heard 2 10" will output more compressed bass then the 12". Budget is kinda tight, but enough to get some decent subs and amp.

Thanks! warlord

 

[Wutang15m]

Not really 2 12' inch is better. Remember the more money you spend the better the system and the more reliabily it will last.

As for sony xplod i think they are garbage youll have lots f problems youll see.

rember it just depends on what youre budget is.

i ender up spending nearly 4,500 on my system. i went thru 3 diffrent speakers boxed and 7 diffrent sets of subs so i tried lots of subs before i got the right one.

 

[Warlord187]

Originally posted by Carlos:
Well, you know the space we have on the Treps is pretty big. I've heard 2 10" will output more compressed bass then the 12". Budget is kinda tight, but enough to get some decent subs and amp.

Thanks! warlord

In general, 10's will be more "accurate". I would go with 12's. They can be just as "accurate", but since there is more surface area, they will produce more bass. Now, there are some 10's out there that will out perform some 12's (the Audiomobile EVO 10 comes to mind). If you're on a budget, I would recommend going with a single sub (12"). Not only do you cut your sub spending in half, but you will need a smaller box (which will cost a little less) and you can get a small two channel amp and bridge it mono (of course a small two channel amp is going to cost you less than a bigger two channel amp).

[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: Warlord187 ]

 

[TehKing]

12" woofers are not able to move as quickly as a comparable 10". If you are looking for good sound quality, with the ability to get ghetto (boomy with little or no definition) when you want to, 10" are an excellent choice.

As for Sony, I have never had any problems with them that wasn't my own fault. The Xplod series woofers, in my opinion are ver accurate and have great specifications for the price. Perhaps look at the ES series though.

Oh, I just re-read your post. From what you say, you want tight, accurate bass. Than a pair of 10s in a sealed box is exactly what you need.

Remember: Bigger is not neccesarily better.

[ February 13, 2002: Message edited by: LHSer ]

 

[Warlord187]

If you are more interested in SQ (sound quality), than you are going to want a sub (10" or 12") in a sealed enclosure (not ported and heaven's forbid not a bandpass).

Some good SQ subs are:

Audiomobile EVO
Infinity Reference
Infinity Kappa Perfects
JBL GTO
OZ Matrix
Crystal
Focals (if you can afford these you are my new best friend)

Those are the ones I can think of.

 

[Carlos]

Thank you guys! I just saw the new forum for this kinda topic. Anyways. I've heard a lot of opinions about Xplod. I'm still confused.
I was looking at the JL, and i just saw the JBL GTO series, if i was going to get 3 10" from either one of them, what kind of amp, you think i could buy that can pumped up those subs? My budget for the amp is around $350

 

[INTREPER]

DONT GET THE SONY'S!!!! I worked in a stereo shop during my college years and all that stuff always came back broken. Kenwood was the same way.

As for subs, go for 3 10's. Theyre much better than 2 12's. Plus we have the room for it. Try the DIAMOND AUDIO subs or the KICKER COMPETITION VR'S. The other piece of advice I have for you is that you will get what you pay for. Hope that helps.

 

[Warlord187]

For the subs, are you going to get dual voice coils???? You'll run into some "trickery" trying to hook up three subs to a single amp, but it can be done.

 

[Carlos]

that's another thing.
what's better? Single or double coils?
I have a shop picked up that is going to hook up my system. I don't know the tricks to do it, it took me several days fo figure out how to install my speakers inside

 

[Warlord187]

Originally posted by Carlos:
that's another thing.
what's better? Single or double coils?
I have a shop picked up that is going to hook up my system. I don't know the tricks to do it, it took me several days fo figure out how to install my speakers inside

When it comes to single or dual voice coils, one isn't "better" than the other. The reason for the two options is due to installation flexibility.

A typical car sub is rated at 4ohms. However, there are other ohm ratings out there. A typical home sub is rated at 8ohms. I know JL Audio makes a 6ohm sub (this is mainly for hooking up three subs). It doesn't matter what rating of sub you use, as long as your amp sees the "final ohm rating" you want your amp to see. I'll post a nifty table I found when I get home tonight.

 

[Wutang15m]

Yeah since you seem to know alot about systems warlord maybe you can explain something for me.

Whats is the OHM. i have them bridged on mono i guess at 2ohm. what is bridged and whats the diffreence bettwen mono stereo and also i have them on 80HZ on my pioner where you can control that what does that do it goes all the wya down to 50HZ????????/

 

[bigdaddy]

an ohm is an amount of resistance. if you have (2) 4 ohm (single voice coil)subs you have 3 ways to hook them up..

1) your Left sub is connected to the Left channel of your amp and likewise for the Right

2) you can hook up your subs in Parallel which would be both positves connected to you amps mono channel positive and likewise with the negatives. You should only do this if you amp is 2 Ohm stable. Rule of thumb is if you connect in parallel you reduce each woofers resistance by 1/2

3) you can hook up your subs in Series. It's kinda hard to explain so bear with me..positive wire from amp to positve of first sub. connect the negative of sub #1 to positve of Sub #2. connect negative of sub #2 to negative of amp. Rule of thumb here is that using series doubles the resistance.

If I'm not to clear maybe someone else can help clear it up.

 

[Avenger]

My amp and sub setup is nice, high SQ, but also high price =)

 

[Warlord187]

Here is the table I said I would post. This is for dual voice coil subs, but the formulas on the bottom should help you out with a single voice coil sub.

 

[Warlord187]

Yeah since you seem to know alot about systems warlord maybe you can explain something for me.

Whats is the OHM. i have them bridged on mono i guess at 2ohm. what is bridged and whats the diffreence bettwen mono stereo and also i have them on 80HZ on my pioner where you can control that what does that do it goes all the wya down to 50HZ????????/

Yes, an Ohm is a unit measurement of resistance. The lower the number, the less amount of resistance. In other words, if you hook up the subs as such so the amp sees a 2 ohm load, it will run hotter (and more powerful) than if you hook up the subs as such that the amp will see a 4 ohm load. This is why if the amp isn't rated as 2 ohm stable (and you hook up the subs to 2 ohms), the amp won't last very long. :crazy:

As for what that setting is on your Pioneer head unit, I'm not sure. It could be a bass boost setting, or more likely it could be a crossover setting. If it is a crossover setting and you have it set at 80Hz, this means that the sub will only get frequencies around and below 80Hz. If you set it for 50Hz, the sub will only get frequencies around and below 50Hz. Personally, I found that between 80-120Hz is the best setting. But, it all depend on your current setup. Play around with it and find out what sounds better to you.

 

[Wutang15m]

THIS SUCKS

Well thanks everyone for the answer but me being an idiot was playing the subs too loud constatnt 1-2 hours a day in my car,

and blew both of themmg: mg:

 

[Warlord187]

Re: THIS SUCKS

Well thanks everyone for the answer but me being an idiot was playing the subs too loud constatnt 1-2 hours a day in my car,

and blew both of themmg: mg:

Were those the ones you were overpowering? :music:

 

[Wutang15m]

Nope the MB quarts rated 400-1000 watts now i know its my fault i was playing them with the gain all the way up and the bass all the way up for a constant 1-2 hours a days for a full 2 weeks.

because i drive alot to and from work. So im going to decide on what im going to do cause somene wants to buy my car and i will let you guiys know