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headlight housings on my '02 Intrepid are junk - looking to replace them, but I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere as to whether the projection headlights are as bright as the oem style ones? I am not interested in messing around with HID's, just want to buy a drop-in install. I thought the projection assm look sharper but if they don't put out as many lumens or if they only illuminate directly in front of the car and don't have any light output to the sides like the oems then I have no interest in them. It looked like peoples' reviews were that the Spyder's were better quality builds than the Spec-D's.

Pair of TYC's are $225 on rock auto

Pair of Spyders are $250 on carid so cost is basically a wash between the two.

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headlight housings on my '02 Intrepid are junk - looking to replace them, but I can't seem to get a straight answer anywhere as to whether the projection headlights are as bright as the oem style ones? I am not interested in messing around with HID's, just want to buy a drop-in install. I thought the projection assm look sharper but if they don't put out as many lumens or if they only illuminate directly in front of the car and don't have any light output to the sides like the oems then I have no interest in them. It looked like peoples' reviews were that the Spyder's were better quality builds than the Spec-D's.

Pair of TYC's are $225 on rock auto

Pair of Spyders are $250 on carid so cost is basically a wash between the two.

Thoughts?
Get some decent housings as some of the E-bay ones are JUNK and install
9011 / 9012 HIR bulbs. These are a huge improvement over the stk 9005/9006
combo. I got my last set of Philips off Amazon. Some of these parts houses want $40
just for a 9012LL :(
 

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Thanks for the pics, that's useful to see.

I don't get the HIR deal. So the 9011 seem like legit decent replacements for the 9005 high beams, but I don't understand how the 9012 could at all be a legit upgrade for the 9006 bulb low beams. The 9006 has a blacked out tip, by design it reflects back to the parabola in the housing that has a cut to prevent light going into eyes of oncoming drivers. The 9012 has NO blacked out tip, so you will be putting glare directly into eyes of oncoming drivers regardless of the parabola design - what am I missing here?
 

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The stock headlights have bulb shades in the low beam section. It looks like a chrome-plated round cap. There's no direct light going forward from the top of the bulb. The high beam section doesn't have that bulb shade so you have both direct and reflected light going forward from the high beam section.

You can see the bulb shade in this picture.



And yes the Spyder projectors use an H1 bulb in the low beam projectors.
 

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Ahh that makes more sense, thx for explanation. Mine are so fogged/scratched out that I didn't even see the chrome bulb shades.
 

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That's pretty bad if you can't see through the lenses. Definitely time for new headlights!

Ebay has some decent OEM style replacements. Some others on there are Ricer Crap!

If you go with Spyder Projectors you'll definitely need a HID kit for the Low Beam projectors so factor that into the cost of purchase. Sometimes sellers offer a Combo with Spyder projector Headlights and HID kits. Not sure if they do that anymore.
 

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FYI the HIR bulbs are more efficient, i.e., put out more light for the same amount of electrical power, because they have an IR reflective coating that reflects what is waste heat in regular bulbs back at the element. So more light with no sacrifice in electrical power usage or bulb life. I have them in both my Concordes (one of which is getting scrapped).

You have to trim the base tabs a little to fit the keying slots in the headlight housing. That's the only tweaking needed for Intrepids, but some other tweaks are needed in Concordes and 300M's because they can only accept straight-based bulbs (without modifications). Here is a How-To for Concordes and 300M's: http://www.lhforums.net/forums/showthread.php?2025-How-To-Install-Angle-base-Headlight-Bulbs-in-300M-amp-2nd-gen-Concorde-amp-LHS&highlight=bulbs
 

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That's pretty bad if you can't see through the lenses. Definitely time for new headlights!

Ebay has some decent OEM style replacements. Some others on there are Ricer Crap!

If you go with Spyder Projectors you'll definitely need a HID kit for the Low Beam projectors so factor that into the cost of purchase. Sometimes sellers offer a Combo with Spyder projector Headlights and HID kits. Not sure if they do that anymore.
So why would I need an HID kit? The Spyders come with the H1 bulbs. Looking at autozone's website H1 bulbs put out 1400 lumens, while the stock 9006 only put out 1000 lumens. (I'm not interested in an ebay special china-direct mail for my domestic ride) Are there actual DOT certified HID's for our cars?

I was not interested in HID kits originally because seems like there is a lot of half-baked nonsense out there in the HID retrofit arena, and then I need a ballast and all, not to mention it sounded like they are generally illegal unless your housing is rated for them.
 

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Click to enlargeNEW Philips 3rd Generation 9012 (HIR2) - (12.8V 55W - PX22D)</font>

Please note that new vehicles manufactured in the last few years have this exact lamp installed in a projector beam type housing.
Candlepower is first to bring you the latest top-tech headlight bulb from Philips: the all new 3rd-generation 9012 (HIR2).

This brand-new Philips bulb incorporates a burner based on the latest version of high-tech H7 architecture. It has a high-precision filament coil, 5-axis focused and positioned within the burner by filament supports configured to leave a metal-free zone around the filament. The thermal image comparison you see on this page shows how the new design gives vastly improved control over unwanted reflections of the filament from the bulb wall and filament supports. This greatly improves beam focus and reduces shadows and glare light within the beam. The tubular bulb gives excellent control of stray light, and it's made of low-distortion quartz with a new infrared-reflective coating with maximized optical clarity. The fill gas has been newly formulated to give the HIR2/9012 bulb's characteristic extremely high light output with very long life.

This new Philips bulb has the highest luminance of any HIR2 (9012) ever made: 30 Mcd/m2. That's 25% better than the previous best-in-class Toshiba bulb. The improvement can be clearly seen in the thermal image comparison, and it gives the driver a significant increase in beam punch, boosting the ability to see what must be seen at night and in bad weather in time to avoid a collision. Light quality is bright white, with an excellent color temperature of 3450K.

Rated lifespan is 1400 hours (Tc). That's 40% longer than previous designs, making this not only the brightest and best but also the most cost-effective HIR2 (9012) bulb ever made.

This 55-watt bulb is US DOT compliant, with a nominal output of 1875 lumens at 13.2 volts. ECE type approval (E-code mark) pending.

All in all, this is the best-performing bulb ever produced for optics designed to accept a bulb with a P(x)22d plastic base.

Application notes This new Philips bulb is physically, electrically, optically, and legally compatible with all previous 9012 (HIR2) bulbs, so it can be used for all the same design-specification, replacement, and upgrade applications. It can replace the 9006 (HB4) for special-service use; such a retrofit requires minor modification to the bulb base as described hereLike all previous HIR2 bulbs, it does not have a blacked-out tip, which means it should not be used in road going headlamp or fog lamp designs that don't have a bulb shield completely covering at least the top half of the front of the bulb — a ring-style bulb shield that leaves the front of the bulb exposed to the lens is usually not sufficient.

SUMMER SALE - SAVE



P9012Regular price: $26.00Sale price: $22.00, 2/$40.00
 

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So why would I need an HID kit? The Spyders come with the H1 bulbs. Looking at autozone's website H1 bulbs put out 1400 lumens, while the stock 9006 only put out 1000 lumens. (I'm not interested in an ebay special china-direct mail for my domestic ride) Are there actual DOT certified HID's for our cars?

I was not interested in HID kits originally because seems like there is a lot of half-baked nonsense out there in the HID retrofit arena, and then I need a ballast and all, not to mention it sounded like they are generally illegal unless your housing is rated for them.
I can tell you that Spyder Projectors with the H1 halogen bulbs they come with are pretty dismal for lighting. You can confirm that with BH1992. Trust me...you'll want HID kits for the Spyder Projectors. Otherwise don't waste your money on them.

There aren't any DOT certified HIDs for use in our OEM headlights. I don't recommend putting HID kits in stock OEM headlight housings. The Projectors are a different story.
 

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Hmmm, maybe I'll just stick with the oem style then. The HID kits I see on ebay are all 8000k and higher color temp which sounds like garbage... I just emailed carid sales to see if they have a decent HID for the Spyder low beams, what HID kits do you guys run?
 

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I've used a kit from DDM tunings website and I'm currently using a set of autovizions. I've used both 35w and 55w. The 55w doesn't seem much brighter than the 35w. And the bulbs I use are 5000k color temp - fairly white color with 55w ballasts, would be a very slight blue tint if you use a 35w ballast.

I would search ebay with the bulb size, color temp, and HID. For instance H1 5,000k HID.
 

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I'd recommend a DDM 35 watt HID kit over most of the cheap **** on Ebay.
 

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Hmmm, maybe I'll just stick with the oem style then. The HID kits I see on ebay are all 8000k and higher color temp which sounds like garbage... I just emailed carid sales to see if they have a decent HID for the Spyder low beams, what HID kits do you guys run?
You must be looking in the wrong places! LOL!

Plenty of HID kits on Eghey with a choice of bulb types and Kelvin Color Temps.

Like BH1992 indicated..do a search for HID 5000K H1.

Just to note the cars equipped with OEM HID projectors stock have 4300K bulbs. 5000K is close enough to OEM for this application. As you go higher up the Kelvin scale the light turns Blue and then Pink, etc. Anything over around 6000K has dramatically lower usable light output. It looks Cool for the Ricer crowd but the real light output is worse than an OEM Halogen bulb for brightness and seeing down the road!
 

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I've probably got at least 5-6 HID kits with different bulb base styles laying around. Probably 1-2 H1 bulb styles. The Ballasts are pretty much Universal for the connections between the Ballast and Bulb on the cheaper stuff.

Here's an example of a typical cheap HID Ballast on the right. This is a Spyder 300m Projector headlight. Intrepid is basically the same. Got the HID kits with the headlights a combo. The DDM kits have a much more compact Ballast that's easier to tuck away.



And some different bulbs. 9006 Halogen on the left. 9006 HID in the center and I think an H3 on the right.

 
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