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I've got thee bug again to buy a new computer. (didn't last time because I wanted my big TV first.)

Now I created a custom one at NCIX and would just like some opinions on what extras to get:

My Custom NCIX PC

Now if you click "reconfigure system" you can see all the extra options available.... I'm really wondering about extra heatsinks, fans. Are any necessary? is a 450W PSU sufficent for all this stuff?
 

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It would help to know what you're using it for, but I'd suggest getting XP Pro instead of Home (I realize it wasn't a listed option), and at least a big external hard drive to save stuff you don't need to load as quickly (documents, archived songs, etc.). Plus media card readers are good if you have a digital camera. The case's 120mm fan should be fine unless you plan on overclocking. If you're worried about heat I'd suggest a liquid cooling system, but I don't think you'll have a problem.
 

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Yea sorry, more info would be good.... I mainly just use it for internet access, fair bit of gaming, and lots of DVD burning. I got the 2 DVD drives so the one can read the disc, the other burn the blank. (eaiser that way, don't need to be at the computer at all). I know the drive is small, I was thinking to use that drive for the OS and some vital programs, and getting another cheaper (but slower) high capacity one for games/music/ect.

Would getting 2 raptor drives be worth it? (one for OS, one for games)? Or would a (slightly) slower one be alright for putting the games on? Also I'm confused by this RAID stuff.... Is RAID the same as SATA2? I know the MoBo has RAID but how do I know a drive is?

Thanks for the input!
 

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Don't quote me on any the following stuff, but here's an answer I've constructed from my limited experience with such technologies.

From what I've read raptor drives are quite good for performance, though their price makes it seem unecessary to own more than one. IIRC, RAID and SATA2 are two different things: SATA is an interface technology, while RAID (Redundant Arrays of Independent Disks) is something you can set a drive to do. RAID uses a second hard disk to create a backup copy of all the information put on the first for security (if one breaks down, the other still has the data) and performance (loading from 2 drives instead of one). I believe it's usually used for getting more performance out of old drives.
 

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Starnerf said:
RAID uses a second hard disk to create a backup copy of all the information put on the first for security (if one breaks down, the other still has the data)
thats raid 1



Starnerf said:
and performance (loading from 2 drives instead of one). I believe it's usually used for getting more performance out of old drives.
thats raid 0

and the other more commercially viable is 0+1 where you use 4 drives that are striped and mirrored. There are more types of raid but the three mentioned here will be the main ones ull run into.
 

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i woul dnot buy raptors ever again, i had a total of 4 and i know other people with them, i would get some plain old seagates or wd's or maxtors with the 16 meg cache and run them in raid, overall they were cheaper and actually ended up running non games hella faster and games were right there withthem, barely noticed a difference. and i dont know how much the difference of price would be, but on newegg.com the amd 4400+ is like 50 bucks more and it is a better cpu, well worth the extra moneys. and if you wanted to save moneys, id definately would cut off the memory, no one realy needs 4 gigs, especialy of that stuff, i mean you probably dont need more than 1 but if you want to be sweet get 2, as in 2 1 gigs sticks or four 512 sticks to use the dual channel support, and i just dont like the antec sonata case, not enough airflow or something, i am not impressed with it at all, i just built a customer a computer with taht case before and it is ok, but not worth money i dont think, and i just realized thatyou live in canada, so i am not sure about prices out there, but it should still all apply basically, and you sholud get ati just to support your own country
 

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...and lots of DVD burning. I got the 2 DVD drives so the one can read the disc, the other burn the blank...
If you are already burning dvd discs with your current system, why not save a little money and not buy any DVD drives at all, or if you have an older burner, then only buy the burner and not the DVD-Rom and use your older one? The only reason I can see for not doing that is cause neither of your older DVD drives can read at a decent speed.
 

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450W PSU will be more than sufficient to handle that computer. As far as RAID, I wouldnt worry about it unless you are storing important data. Its cheaper to get an external HD or even a big thumb drive to store it on.

1 120mm fan probably wont be enough. If your on your computer for long periods of time or your into any gaming, I would recommend at least 2 other fans. 4 is usually a minimum for me, but thats 80mm, not 120.


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Thanks for all the help guys.... I'll get an extra fan for sure as I usually have the comp. on long periods. ( The case can support 4 fans).
The case seems to get great reviews so I'll stick with it. I'll also stay with 4 Gig's as I figure it should help speed up DVD decryption, & games (I tend to do a lot of stuff at once). I'll also get 2 of these
Maxtor DiamondMax 10 250GB SATA2 7200RPM 16MB 9MS NCQ Quiet RoHS Hard Drive
Instead of the raptor. In the comments a guy says:
I got two of these in RAID0. I got 310Kb/s out of the RAID!
Seems good to me! :dunno:

I can't use the old computer for burning because I'm giving it to my parents. They have a old pentium that can barely run win 98! Price isn't really a problem as long as it's around $2000. My Dad is going to be paying for this computer, his company gives him a couple thousand $$ to spend on a "hobby" every year. They don't really need a top of the line comp, (they check email & play card games), so he's letting me build it and trading me. Thanks dad!

Here's the new setup: NCIX Computer $2366
 

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My opinions, and i've built tons of PC's.

case/power - pretty good, but for an extra 50 bucks you can get their top of the line case, the 1088AMG...this is the case I have and it's a beauty, tons of room...trust me, you will wish you had more room than the case you are looking at

heat sink - awesome, same I have, quiet and works well

processor - not bad but you are making a big mistake getting one with only 512k of cache...for $200 more you can get the X2 4400+ with the full meg of cache in each processor - this is a huge improvement in performance

mobo - awesome

cooling - very good

memory - a waste...two 1 gig sticks of that OCZ will be more than enough..your choice of brand is great(same stuff I have) but 4 gigs is a waste right now...

hard drives - your choices now are great, but you are making a big mistake not getting a raptor..the raptors are by far, and I mean BY FAR the best non-scsi drive you can buy...you should get at least the 36gig(or the 74 better yet, or the 150gig model that is coming out right now) model and use it strictly for your OS and important programs, then use the maxtors for pure storage

video - great

dvd - great, I also have 2 drives and it's very handy for copying

OS - why waste $100 on this? you can download it for free and put the $100 towards your hardware


So as you can see, I'd upgrade the processor, get a Raptor and get less memory. The money you save on the memory can be put towards the processor. With 2x1GB sticks, you can always buy another 2x1GB later on, but you can't upgrade the processor without having wasted a bunch of money.
 

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i only had bad things to say about raptors, especially when i saw the scores on pc mark that my 2 maxtors 16 meg cahes were owning my 2 74 gig raptors, but other than that iagree with everything morphy says, i just use g.skill for ram, i found them to be amazing, i am not sure what chips are used on the ocz's but i really like the samsungs tccd's
 

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Why not go liquid on the cooling?? Looks like you have around 110 bucks set aside for fans....for about the same, maybe a bit more you could go liquid. I have a liquid cooled system and it runs great...even when its time to pull out the Unreal and Halo..and crank everything up...

I agree on the raptors..get one for all your important programs and O/S...then raid a couple 250's for storage..comes in handy when ripping movies and copying them...
 

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This is exactly what I was looking for! Great ideas, and thanks for the help. I've made some changes and think I've got it! I'll go with the Anatec TX1050B Case. According to Anatec's site it's the same as 1088, only with a 500W PSU and it's $30 cheaper (and I like black). I'll get a 36gig raptor for the OS, drop the memory to 2 gig, and get the 4400+ CPU. I'd like to get a legit copy of windows, I hate fighting to use update and believe MS will be coming up with some new verification process. Is XP Pro really better than Home? I don't do any networking or anything, just basic home use.

Thanks again everyone, this should be a kick ass computer!! :boink:

New setup $2451
Jesus, thats more than what I paid for my 52" HDTV :eek:
 

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Get XP Home........Pro just has features you won't use anyways!
 

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Gah, dont pay for windows now. Arent they supposed to bring out the new windows in the next couple months? Not saying I'd use it because all I've heard about it is horrible things, but its something to consider.


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Now you're talking. That updated system will be sweet. You can always add on extra memory and hard drives later.

I still say don't waste money on the OS. The copies out now work perfectly, and are fully updateable on Windows Update. Microsoft supposedly changed to their *secure* windows verification process last year but within a couple of days it had been cracked.

And ximkolo - you post a link to anywhere that shows a single test where ANY non-scsi drive on the market beats a Raptor in any kind of test. The Raptors are simply the best drives out there, expensive ya, but best for performance.
 

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i am not say that they are bad at all, just that from my own person usage of them do not think that they are worth the money ever, and especially when i can get multiple times more space for the same or even less money and perform very very close and in cases better, i am not sure if the links will work in highlighting the drives i chose, but you can look yourself that where they are beaten out by a lot of drives in multiple areas, and again, id take space and saving money over saving 1 second on loading windows or a game. and i am not trying to be a dick about this or start argueing, i just built and used a ton of computers and was all about the raptors when they came out till i used my buddy's maxtors with a 16 med cache and pcmarks got a higher score and over all i felt taht tehy did run better

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&model1=139&model2=142&chart=31

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&model1=130&model2=138&chart=33

http://www23.tomshardware.com/storage.html?modelx=33&model1=130&model2=138&chart=41
 

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Oh, not trying to argue, just prove my point. Two of the three links you provided show how the Raptor is much better in performance.

Also, check out the latest drive comparison:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2005/09/27/round/

Tom's, and virtually any other site out there, praise the Raptors and say they are in a class of their own. They aren't intended for mass storage(unless you won the lottery). But for anyone building a new system, I always tell them to get one for your system drive. No other drive out there can compete with them performance wise.
 
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