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Well, having just gotten Civ IV I have found that my 3-year old GeForce4 MX440 (64-bit) just isn't quite good enough :(

So, in anticipation of my next system (should be sometime early next year) I would like to get the new vid card now. I have never really been happy with ATI cards (though I know a lot of people love them) - I'm more of an NVidia kinda' guy. So I've been looking at the 6600GT and 6800GT Nvidia cards but just can't decide - I'm concerned my current MB isn't good enough to support the 6800GT. It's an IWill KK400 w/AMD 2100+ Athlon, 768Mb of DDR333 RAM, and an 8x AGP port.

So, which vid card would you recommend assuming this will be a 6-8 month set-up (at which point the MB and RAM would be upgraded)? Or would you suggest just getting a relatively cheap 128-bit vid card (recommended for Civ IV) and waiting for the PCI-E port on the new MB to do the real vid upgrade ...?
 

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Depending on what your definition of cheap is here is one:

EVGA E-GEFORCE 6200 256MB 128BIT DDR AGP 8x = $130 @ NICX.com

Damn good card to tide you over (I personaly would wait to get a PCI-E card if you are planing on geting that type of MoBo)

I actually have the exact same card as you have now! I was thinking of getting this card when I found it just now.... but my computer is so old it only has a 4x AGP :smilie_au I REALLY need a new computer!
 

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I have an XFX GeForce 6600GT and am loving it.

Your MoBo should handle it just fine. It may need a BIOS update though. Also make sure you have an adequate power supply.

This link may be of interest to you.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index.html

P.S. I need to buy that game.
 

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DJDiggler said:
Depending on what your definition of cheap is here is one:

EVGA E-GEFORCE 6200 256MB 128BIT DDR AGP 8x = $130 @ NICX.com

Damn good card to tide you over (I personaly would wait to get a PCI-E card if you are planing on geting that type of MoBo)

I actually have the exact same card as you have now! I was thinking of getting this card when I found it just now.... but my computer is so old it only has a 4x AGP :smilie_au I REALLY need a new computer!
I was thinking "cheap" as in a $50 eVGA FX-5500 (128-bit 8x w/256Mb). That will be more than adequate to run Civ IV. Save the extra $$$ for a big upgrade next year if I decide to go that route.

*flips a mental coin for the 131st time* :)
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I have an XFX GeForce 6600GT and am loving it.

Your MoBo should handle it just fine. It may need a BIOS update though. Also make sure you have an adequate power supply.

This link may be of interest to you.

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050705/index.html

P.S. I need to buy that game.
Good point about the BIOS upgrade, I haven't done that recently since I've not added any new hardware. The power supply should be adequate - I got a nice box and 500w PS the last time I rebuilt. I figured the system would handle the 6600GT OK but didn't know about the 6800GT.

Do you play Civ? What's the last version you have ...?
 

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I recently upgraded to a agp Geforce 6800, not the GT or lite version. It was around $180 and works well. But if you are going to get a new system I would wait and get a pci-e card with the new system. Like a Geforce 6800GT something.
 

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Do you play Civ? What's the last version you have ...?
I haven't played it in a long time. But I have...

-Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
-Civilization: Call To Power
-Civilization II
-Civilization II Scenarios
-Civilization III


I think I will pick up Civ IV on Tuesday since a CD I want comes out than also.
 

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I recently upgraded to a agp Geforce 6800, not the GT or lite version. It was around $180 and works well. But if you are going to get a new system I would wait and get a pci-e card with the new system. Like a Geforce 6800GT something.
That's more of what I'm leaning toward. I've heard the PCI-E ports are a LOT faster than even the 8x AGP. If I'm gonna' spend several hundred for a vid card it had better be a good one that'll last a few years! :)
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I haven't played it in a long time. But I have...

-Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri
-Civilization: Call To Power
-Civilization II
-Civilization II Scenarios
-Civilization III


I think I will pick up Civ IV on Tuesday since a CD I want comes out than also.
Good luck finding it! We've had shortages and even Amazon doesn't have it very often :(

Civ IV is more like a Civ II update than Civ III. A lot of the Civ II things that they did away with in III are back in the game. The biggest change that I've seen is the government types. Instead if one government class (republic, monarchy, etc.) there are five phases of "Civics" - leader type (monarchy, representative, etc.), bureaucracy type, economy, religion (pagan, theocracy, etc), and individual freedoms (slavery, serfdom, free speech, etc.). And it's a whole different game with religion thrown in there! :eek: :)
 

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Civ IV is more like a Civ II update than Civ III. A lot of the Civ II things that they did away with in III are back in the game. The biggest change that I've seen is the government types. Instead if one government class (republic, monarchy, etc.) there are five phases of "Civics" - leader type (monarchy, representative, etc.), bureaucracy type, economy, religion (pagan, theocracy, etc), and individual freedoms (slavery, serfdom, free speech, etc.). And it's a whole different game with religion thrown in there! :eek: :)
I have heard nothing but good things about this game. I must get. :)

I almost got it last week. Best Buy had a full shelf of them at that time. I guess we will see if they still have them tomorrow. :)
 

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I decided to go ahead and get the eVGA FX-5500. Tiger has 'em for $60 but with shipping and a $15 rebate it ended up at $52. Not bad for a 128-bit 256Mb vid card. When I get the new MB next year I'll be sure and get a PCI_E slot. Then maybe I can put a 7800 GTX in the slot if they manage to drop below $400 by then.

Thanks for your input!

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I almost got it last week. Best Buy had a full shelf of them at that time. I guess we will see if they still have them tomorrow. :)
You saw a whole shelf full of 'em?!? :wow:

I guess they finally managed to catch up with the demand. I just checked eBay and the prices have dropped on there, too ...
 

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I decided to go ahead and get the eVGA FX-5500. Tiger has 'em for $60 but with shipping and a $15 rebate it ended up at $52. Not bad for a 128-bit 256Mb vid card. When I get the new MB next year I'll be sure and get a PCI_E slot. Then maybe I can put a 7800 GTX in the slot if they manage to drop below $400 by then.

Thanks for your input!
nVidia 7800 GTX
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4800+
Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty

I just blew my load and I didn't even get to the rest of the components. :D

You saw a whole shelf full of 'em?!? :wow:

I guess they finally managed to catch up with the demand. I just checked eBay and the prices have dropped on there, too ...
Yup! I picked up the game today and there was still a whole shelf of them. I am going to sign off and install the game now. :)
 

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nVidia 7800 GTX
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4800+
Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty

I just blew my load and I didn't even get to the rest of the components. :D
I can do without the high-priced sound card but I'll need 1.5-2 Gb of RAM and a WD 300Gb HD to go with that! I've been using IWill - they make good mid-grade boards but really don't push the envelope much. I almost got a Gigabyte last time then opted to stick with what I know. But I'll have to change this time, I'm sure. Do you have any preference on MB's between ASUS, BioStar, and GigaByte?
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Yup! I picked up the game today and there was still a whole shelf of them. I am going to sign off and install the game now. :)
Well, I'll be talking to you again maybe Saturday when you come up for air ... :D
 

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Do you have any preference on MB's between ASUS, BioStar, and GigaByte?
The first computer I built myself many moons ago (P3 system) I used an Abit mobo. It was a good board and I would use them again. Well, that is if ASUS wasn't around. When it came time to build a new computer I used an ASUS mobo since I have heard only good things about them. I have to say, the ASUS mobos are sweet. I have used ASUS since than and I will most likely continue to use ASUS in the future.


So I played the game last night. That sure is addicting. I completely lost track of time. Here I am thinking to myself that it is getting late and it feel like is about midnight. I look at the clock and it is almost 1:30 in the morning!!! Needlesss to say I didn't get much sleep last night. :)
 

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The first computer I built myself many moons ago (P3 system) I used an Abit mobo. It was a good board and I would use them again. Well, that is if ASUS wasn't around. When it came time to build a new computer I used an ASUS mobo since I have heard only good things about them. I have to say, the ASUS mobos are sweet. I have used ASUS since than and I will most likely continue to use ASUS in the future.
I've heard some really good things about Gigabyte, too - but ASUS is VERY popular and there has to be a good reason for that! I've been through so many different MBs and chips in the last 12 years that I can't remember them all. I think the new computer will be build #6 for my own box but I've built several for buddies over the years. The thing I liked about my current IWill board was being able to crank the chip speed a little using the BIOS. Do ASUS boards have BIOS over-clocking too?
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So I played the game last night. That sure is addicting. I completely lost track of time. Here I am thinking to myself that it is getting late and it feel like is about midnight. I look at the clock and it is almost 1:30 in the morning!!! Needless to say I didn't get much sleep last night. :)
I waited until the weekend to install mine and I still got to bed pretty late Sunday night! Personally, I think it's addiction factor is higher than the previous versions ... :)
 

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I personally like the Matrox cards. Rock solid drivers and 95%+ the performance of the bleeding edge 3D cards at 1/2 the price.

Matrox is the King of multi-monitor setups.
 

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[QUOTE='98-ESer]I personally like the Matrox cards. Rock solid drivers and 95%+ the performance of the bleeding edge 3D cards at 1/2 the price.

Matrox is the King of multi-monitor setups.[/QUOTE] I've had one or two Matrox cards in the past but nothing recently. When the nVidia GeForce came out I switched over. At the time they were the best bang for the buck. I'll have to look into their products next spring - see what they have for the PCIe.
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Since ASUS has so many different boards, I can't say if they all do. But the ones I have used and have looked at all do. It's almost scary that it can be that easy to OC.
I just got through reading the specs on the ASUS A8NSLI-Deluxe (x64 dual core w/SLI PCIe) and they not only can be OC'ed from the BIOS but there's a built-in failsafe. If the last OC step you took made the system crash it automatically resets to the prior setting when you reboot. :D

It also allows OC on the PCIe slots ... :brow2:
 

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if you want easy overclocking you need to get a decent abit, my buddy currently has the abit fatality and it is the overall best overclocking board i ever used, it gets very high and it will not let you mess up if you dont realy know what you are doing, plus most abit boards let you overclock on the fly in windows with software that they give you. i personally have gone to dfi's lanparty boards, for experienced users it is the best, it does not have safety features like the abit, but i overclocked and built enough computers to know what to do, and it is is 60 bucks less than the fatality, and IMHO, i would not get the 7800 gtx, but the new ati x1800xt, actually in about a week or so i will tell you how it runs, and i would not buy a amd x2 4800+ but the x2 4400+, which is what i have, the ONLY difference is 200 mhz, which can be done in about 3 seconds worth of overclocking and saves hundreds, no reason to buy anything above the 4400+ now untile amd changes its socket type and a core update
asus is a good solid company, but they never seemed to move fast enough overclocked, at least from my usage of them
 

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if you want easy overclocking you need to get a decent abit, my buddy currently has the abit fatality and it is the overall best overclocking board i ever used, it gets very high and it will not let you mess up if you dont realy know what you are doing, plus most abit boards let you overclock on the fly in windows with software that they give you. i personally have gone to dfi's lanparty boards, for experienced users it is the best, it does not have safety features like the abit, but i overclocked and built enough computers to know what to do, and it is is 60 bucks less than the fatality, and IMHO, i would not get the 7800 gtx, but the new ati x1800xt, actually in about a week or so i will tell you how it runs, and i would not buy a amd x2 4800+ but the x2 4400+, which is what i have, the ONLY difference is 200 mhz, which can be done in about 3 seconds worth of overclocking and saves hundreds, no reason to buy anything above the 4400+ now untile amd changes its socket type and a core update
asus is a good solid company, but they never seemed to move fast enough overclocked, at least from my usage of them
Great info! I'll look into ABit! Hopefully AMD will have changed whatever they're gonna' change by late next spring and it won't be an issue.

As for the vid card I'm just not comfortable with ATI. I've seen them on too many game warning lists ...
 

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and i would not buy a amd x2 4800+ but the x2 4400+, which is what i have, the ONLY difference is 200 mhz, which can be done in about 3 seconds worth of overclocking and saves hundreds, no reason to buy anything above the 4400+ now untile amd changes its socket type and a core update
I'm not looking at a new computer right now, hence I have not done any price comparisons. If that is true and I was looking at a new computer, I would have gone with the 4400+.
 
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